Davyo Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 I keep hearing people talking about shotguns being put on an FAC in the future and the SGC fated out.I put this question to the FEO who did the home visit for my FAC (Durham)I also put the same question to (North Yorkshire) FEO who surveyed the land i shoot.They seemed to be aware of this but would not comment?It does seem to appear that getting an FAC is much harder that it used to be,mine took a total of 6mths(SGC already held).Put the question to BASC but still waiting their response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Depending on the conditions it may bring I think it's a good idea. I mean proving you're a member of a club or have land to shoot isn't a big deal is it? Two tickets for what is essentially the same thing is just a pain in the ***! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 At the moment you have no need to prove that you "need" a shotgun, think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Depending on the conditions it may bring I think it's a good idea. I mean proving you're a member of a club or have land to shoot isn't a big deal is it? Two tickets for what is essentially the same thing is just a pain in the ***! You sure about this? So you'd could only buy one Shotgun per slot, proving the need for that one particular caliber like you can rifles? sounds pretty stupid to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 That's the way it is over here. You have to show good reason for every shotgun/air rifle etc that you wish to purchase or acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 That's the way it is over here. You have to show good reason for every shotgun/air rifle etc that you wish to purchase or acquire. Is that right? Didn't know that. I'm not sure I could justify my 'need' for all my shotguns, I suppose I probably could just about, one is a new(ish) sporter, one is a semi auto, one is a light game O/U and one is a SxS, all in size 12. It would add a new dimension to the whole process and could prove difficult for the more casual shooter who doesn't want to join a clay club and who doesn't have land on which to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 I keep hearing people talking about shotguns being put on an FAC in the future and the SGC fated out.I put this question to the FEO who did the home visit for my FAC (Durham)I also put the same question to (North Yorkshire) FEO who surveyed the land i shoot.They seemed to be aware of this but would not comment?It does seem to appear that getting an FAC is much harder that it used to be,mine took a total of 6mths(SGC already held).Put the question to BASC but still waiting their response. I don't think that it's anything worth worrying about, as yet. It would take a major re-working of the Firearms Act to do what you suggest and the government/Parliament has lots of more pressing issues on its plate right now. If the government makes an announcement that it intends to look into such things then start worrying but I very much doubt that that will happen in the near future. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 At the moment you have no need to prove that you "need" a shotgun, think about it. You do not need to prove that you 'need' a sec.1 firearm either. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 It would be a bit of a niggle yes, but then so is two lots of forms for what is essentially the same thing! What I'd really like to see is a certificate that says you could have a set number of guns up to a maximum energy and change as you please. So with my safe I could have 9 firearms of any energy up to 5000ft-lbs (about what the .338 can achieve) to be chopped and changed as I need to. Lets be fair, that wouldn't give me any more freedom than I have now (from a security/safety point of view) but it would save the police a huge amount of work. Why you have to ask for a .243 when you've just sold one is beyond me, it's just plain daft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonclay Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Why do you have to ask for another if you sell one of the same caliber, not sure how it all works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Why do you have to ask for another if you sell one of the same caliber, not sure how it all works The FEO explained it to me as the permission on the licence is only granted for the purchase and hold of ONE FAC gun of that particular calibre, when you sell/transfer it, you have to apply over again to buy another, unlike an SGC, which allows you to buy any number of SGC shotguns within reason, and chop and change as much as you want. Strange, but there you are, why is anyone's guess, I am sure someone here will be able to answer that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) SGC is easier to get as most MP's know or are friends with the landed gentry and they wouldn't want to make it overly diffecult for Lord Bootlebum to gain his shotgun certificate for game shoots and then to buy new guns. It's also why shotgun ammo is easier to buy and there are no restrictions on it's storage etc. Edited July 4, 2012 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al69ec Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 What happens if you don't have an FAC? And only a SGC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 What happens if you don't have an FAC? And only a SGC Well to turn that one around the other way, if you have a FAC why do you need a SGC as well? Why can't a FAC be a default SGC automatically. Its like my car driving licence allows me to drive a moped. I don't have to apply for a second licence just because I want a moped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2244tone Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 SGC is easier to get as most MP's know or are friends with the landed gentry and they wouldn't want to make it overly diffecult for Lord Bootlebum to gain his shotgun certificate for game shoots and then to buy new guns. It's also why shotgun ammo is easier to buy and there are no restrictions on it's storage etc. I bet Lord Bootlebum wouldn,t have to wait 6 ******* mounths plus to get his SGC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 You don't need 'good reason' to aquire a moped.If all shotguns were to be inflicted with the same requirements that rifles currently are,you would require 'good reason' for each shotgun you posess.At the moment you can buy a shotgun of any bore,mechanism etc so long as you posess a SGC,if the S1 classification applied to them,you would be unable to do this,but would have to apply for a variation unless you had the relevant slot on your ticket.I know quite afew people who would struggle to justify their reason for having six or more shotguns.I could just about do it,but my main reason is that I'm a gun nut,and I love guns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 There are no proposals or plans to move shotguns onto Section 1 David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 You do not need to prove that you 'need' a sec.1 firearm either. J. Really? :blink: :blink: :blink: Wow, and all this time I thought that only applied to Sec.2 G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Ah yes another 'reasonable' nail in the coffin for British shooting Thankfully although it was being heavily pushed by anti-gun groups (i.e. actual anti- gun campaigners, various sections of the police and government and the left wing media) following the Cumbrian shootings it appears to have been scraped as an idea. For now. First they came for the Communists right to carry for self-defence And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist did not carry Then they came for the Socialists self-loading rifles And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist did not own one Then they came for the trade unionists pistols And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist did not use them Then they came for the Jews ?? <insert next restriction> And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew able to see the precariousness of my situation Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me No further restrictions or impediments or extra processes should be tolerated by shooters no matter how 'reasonable' they are. Every single one knocks the wedge of a total gun ban further into us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Really? :blink: :blink: :blink: Wow, and all this time I thought that only applied to Sec.2 G.M. That was my thought too. What shall I treat myself to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 You do not need to prove that you 'need' a sec.1 firearm either. I trust there is an explanation that goes with this. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant hit rabbits 123 Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) I trust there is an explanation that goes with this. :rolleyes: If I follow his thinking correctly, you must show good reason to have an S1 firearm, but not really 'need'. Most of us are recreational shooters, we do not rely on firearms or thier use for work, livelyhood etc. If we had to demonstrate need, very few people would ever be granted FAC. When you apply you say I would like a .22 for shooting rabbits on this land over which I have lawful authority to shoot. You dont say I need a .22 to shoot rabbits on this land. Otherwise the Big Chief could, and probably would turn round and ask to see proof that you relied heavily on either the use of the land or the shooting of the rabbits. Edited July 6, 2012 by cant hit rabbits 123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDown Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 I think what JonathanL is getting at is that it is not a case of need. You have to show good reason but that is different. You cannot be said to need two of the same calibre but you may have them as you can demonstrate good reason (day/night setup, target/vermin setup etc etc). If that isn't what he meant I will leave it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 Really? :blink: :blink: :blink: Wow, and all this time I thought that only applied to Sec.2 G.M. You have to demonstrate 'good reason', that is not the same as 'need'. If it were the case that you had to demonstrate that you 'needed' a firearm then almost no one would be able to meet the criteria. You do not 'need' to stalk deer for recreation, you do not 'need' to target shoot. You do not 'need' to be a gun collector. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 You have to demonstrate 'good reason', that is not the same as 'need'. If it were the case that you had to demonstrate that you 'needed' a firearm then almost no one would be able to meet the criteria. You do not 'need' to stalk deer for recreation, you do not 'need' to target shoot. You do not 'need' to be a gun collector. J. So when your FEO asks why you need another .22 rifle when you already have two, then I'm sure he will accept this explanation.............before refusing Demonstrating “Good reason” is tantamount to showing your FEO why you NEED to own a particular calibre/rifle other than simply WANTING to own it. Simply telling your firearms dept that you already own a .243, a .308 and a 7mm-08 for stalking and now simply WANT to buy another .308 for the same reason won't suffice, as he will simply tell you that you don't actually NEED one. You will have to demonstrate “Good reason”..............in other words why you NEED one. If you own a shotgun for vermin control you can apply for a .22rf for the same thing, as you will be able to show a NEED/GOOD REASON for wanting one. Simply telling your FEO that you want a rifle because you are entitled to, because you don't have to show that you NEED one won't go down very well, and I am sure that a decent FEO will ask WHY you want one, and then you in turn would give him your reason. In other words you would be telling him why you NEEDED it. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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