Cosd Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 This isn't a debate on ethics and whether or not we should or shouldn't be using them!! Being a very recent convert I thought I'd start a thread on which cartridges in this weight and size are good, bad or indifferent, for use on pigeons. There are loads of similar threads for 6's and 5's, but I don't recall one debating 28g 7.5's. So, for those who do use 28g 7.5 cartridges on the pigeons, which ones do you recommend? I've made a couple of calls this morning and a slab (250) of Fiochi or Rio Claybusters are £37 and £37.50 respectively. Anyone have any experience with these? Cos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Claybusters kick like a mmule, steer well clear of them if you think you're going to do a long session. I recently got Eley First and Kent Velocity at £37.50 a slab, i'd recommend them both. Havent tried the Fiocchi 28g yet, but did use some Fiocchi 30g 5's on saturday and wasnt overly impressed with them tbh. AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) ones I have used and can recommend are , Kent velocity, Eley Olympic trap , Eley blues, Rio top trap and Rio winners if I was pushed to use just one of those I would say the Kent velocity. Edited July 23, 2012 by fenboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlyme Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 kents are fine and are pretty good value for money really for what you get they do vary from batch to batch on the turnover and crimp so deffo worth checking before you leave the shop if your using a semi auto, but in the last 8 months not had a square edge one tbh..... i like using them through full choke for more pellets on the bird seems to do the trick to 35yards humanely.... dont like fiochhi's tbh just dont seem the same quality of cartridge as the kent and ive seen loads of misfires with them at the clay ground.. hull comp x arnt to bad and are super smooth. black gold are black gold say no more but do no worse than kents imho. may aswell buy 32g of 6's for there price though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) I am a recent convert to 7.5x28gm's and have used Cheddites via our very own NickyT. If I remember correctly they were £165.00 per 1000. I enjoyed good results and will be giving them another bash this evening. Cheers Terry Edited July 23, 2012 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Shooter Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) Eley first in fiber knocks the granny out of them!!! and cheap. :good: Edited July 23, 2012 by SA Shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Used Gamebore Supergems the other day to good effect. Stone dead apart from one flier who then dropped (dead) about 40 yards further on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 i`m in the "use minimum 6s" camp, but would like to chime in. some clay loads are very limp, and are obviously designed not to be used on pigeons. having said that, at a pinch i`d use some punchy 7.5 if i have to. you should really ask your self, why cant the manufacturers load up a 1oz #6 ? they wont because it will be in direct competition with the other higher profit pigeon cartridges. thats a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Nobel sport or simi. both in fibre, 28g 7.5. keep the distances real and the birds will drop. For a 6-30/32 i would be setting decoys out at 30 meters. for the 7.5-28 i set at 25 meters. its only 5 meters but it seams to work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 Eley Superbs always do the trick here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 I have a huge amount of experience with this particular load on pigeons. Some continental 7.5 loads are actually a Uk 7 or very near a 7. For a while i used mostly Smi Smini (Italian), which were just over £3 a box only 2 years ago. These are actually a UK 7 and come highly recommended - i just can't find them anymore. Then there are Kent velocities. These are currently around £38 a slab and i find them very effective. My current favourites, though, are Rio target loads. These are 2.37mm shotsize and they are a great little cartridge which i have a lot of confidence in.They are around £4 a box at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 kents are fine and are pretty good value for money really for what you get they do vary from batch to batch on the turnover and crimp so deffo worth checking before you leave the shop if your using a semi auto, but in the last 8 months not had a square edge one tbh..... i like using them through full choke for more pellets on the bird seems to do the trick to 35yards humanely.... dont like fiochhi's tbh just dont seem the same quality of cartridge as the kent and ive seen loads of misfires with them at the clay ground.. hull comp x arnt to bad and are super smooth. black gold are black gold say no more but do no worse than kents imho. may aswell buy 32g of 6's for there price though... Can you define “smooth” as a round must have a certain amount of energy to propel the shot to over 1200/1400 fps! To achieve that speed the powder must push the charge forward and the gun backwards…so where does the “smooth” part come into play TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Maybe it's me but I wouldn't use Hull Comp X on pigeons unless they were clay ones, and I don't use them any more for that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) Choices at local shops are: Rio 20 £160/1000 Fiochi Top One £150/1000 Eley First £160/1000 Hull Superfast £154/1000 Kent Velocity £152/1000 Edited July 24, 2012 by Cosd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Recoil perception varies from man to man. Some find a short sharp smack feels less than a long slow push, and vice versa. Id have no problem using comp X on pigeons, would do the same job as the other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 gamebore white gold 28g 7.5 are brilliant on pigeons!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 Can you define “smooth” as a round must have a certain amount of energy to propel the shot to over 1200/1400 fps! To achieve that speed the powder must push the charge forward and the gun backwards…so where does the “smooth” part come into play TEH Cookoff is probably better placed to answer this, but i understood that it's the way the powder burns. Quick burning powder produces more recoil, slower smoother burning powder doesnt. AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) I've used quite a few different trap loads on pigeon and yes they kill well enough. There are lots of foreign loads that are actually English size 7. Old Archie Coats used to recommend 1 and a sixteenth of No 7 in his Grand Prix for decoying, so modern 1oz trap loads labelled 7.5 shot aren't a mile out are they? However give me 32g of English No 6 any day of the week. I've also shot quite a few pigeon with the Hull FITASC and Gamebore 6.5 shot loads and they are very good but pricey. Edited July 24, 2012 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 had some rc 28g#6's which did the job well, and were cheaper than some of the clay loads i was using at the time. eley real tree (i think) were 30g 6.5s and were very effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 from your local choices cos, i would try both a slab of the kent and the hull super fast and see which you prefer. of course i am slightly biased as i come from hull, but i have used both of these shells and for the money are excellent through 1/2 or 3/4 choke. if you can get the super fast in 29gm 6 at that money then even better. give either of these shells a go. you won't be dissapointed. aga man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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