john faul Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Trade in the al391 for an extrema or steel proof al391 dont buy a hatsan, Its like going from a ducati 1098 to a scooter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 no it do not have the Fluer de Llys stamp i know about this one it dont have it on it what so ever so that go's to say it not steel proof like i said im thinking about wildfowling and maby need a gun just for that job so that hwere i was thinking bye bye berreta and come on the cheapo im far from a big brand man im more about how the gun feels and how its going to treat me by not falling to parnt and not breaking if you want to rip yourself off and trade a decent gun gor a heap of cheap **** then thsts your choice but i will say that i think your mad lol. the hatsen is cheap it is rubbish and they dont cycle very well. ans it will break you can be sure of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 My only experience of Hatsans is what I've read on here,but have shot and owned one or two Berettas.My twopennerth worth is ARE YOU MAD! Only joking.If you must PX it why don't you go for a model with a proven record with steel proof and the chamber length you want? Like I said,I have no experience of Hatsans,but I personally wouldn't advise anyone to buy a Turkish made gun following the experiences a couple of my nephews mates are having with their Turkish made guns,neither of which are Hatsans I hasten to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Clay Rascal Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Just to add my thoughts, I have a urika 2 and have never had a problem since I purchased a book on stripping them down from America, (dont think I can say without advertizing) and carried this out after every 400 carts, then I produced a manual an stripping down the gas valve, this is free and on line for all as a friend in the states hosted it on his server.SEE MY POSTS. I have cycled 21grm carts through mine but mostly us 28s, Go get a urika 2 steel proofed and all the rest, and forget the Hatsan. of course u could always make me an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Are you sure that the AL391 isn't steel proofed, I only question this because I owned the AL390 (1994 model) and that was proofed for steel. Does it say 'SP' on any of the chokes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 all i can see is cam 76 mm few proof marks and 1080kg per cm2 and the only chokes i got is a 1/4 and a 1/3 teague chokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Is one of the mark the Fluer de llys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) Yes mate and on the quarter choke somewhere below the thread it should be stamped 'SP'. Honestly keep the beretta it's a far better gun than the hatsan...... That it all. Edited August 22, 2012 by WelshAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Yes mate sorry that was aimed at littlerob... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Ha sorry just noticed sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Recently bought the escort as a knock about gun, first impressions build quality not a patch on the likes of benelli etc, It does the job, don't mind bashing the stock like on the others, def would not trade in a gun likes of beretta's browning, benelli's etc for a escort. Its worth having as a second gun so that you don't want your main gun getting knocked about, ended up with a camo version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 \steel proof is something like 1380 from memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 there is no Fluer de llys mark what so ever on the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majordisorder Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) I've know nothing about either gun but in true "internet expert" mode you should never buy a hatsan as they are the work of the devil Edited August 22, 2012 by majordisorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerettaSV10 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I've know nothing about either gun but in true "internet expert" mode you should never buy a hatsan as they are the work of the devil Must admit was thinking the same about them, now I have got one, for what they cost not too bad, cartridge fussy maybe (don't like soft cartridges), cheapish yes, worth it only users of it can tell, if you get one get the latest version with ext chokes. Will see what its like after I have gone through the winter with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecash Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 gotta be a wind up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfowler325 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Hatsans are pritty **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Are you sure that the AL391 isn't steel proofed, I only question this because I owned the AL390 (1994 model) and that was proofed for steel. Does it say 'SP' on any of the chokes? my 2005 al391 was not steel proofed,the barrel needs to be steel proofed not just the choke, andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 If it was for finacial reasons I'd sell the beretta and go see what's in your local shops and get the best gun you can for what ever amount you want to spend, if that nds up been a hatsan so be it. I've owned two hatsans and their not that bad at all but I wouldn't set out with the intentions of getting rid of a beretta for a hatsan unless I was doing it to free up the cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 if you must trade it in get a300 outlander 3in steel proof you wont go wrong,i hated the feel of the hatsan was all set to buy one till i handled it went off it straight away,felt like a bit of scaffold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 its no wind up or im not sort of cash or the gun nacked it just i was thinking about getting a steel proof for the wildfowling thats coming up would by other gun but as i have 3 guns already and 4 friends guns that im looking after for quite awile while he gets his liscence return to him so cant store anymore guns at the moment so that thingink of the trade for a hatsan but would like to fire a hatsan first and what new semi i will be swaping for will have to ave no more than a 26inch barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshAndy Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 my 2005 al391 was not steel proofed,the barrel needs to be steel proofed not just the choke, andrew I understand that mate I just thought that if they were making guns in 1994 that were steel proofed that the more modern ones would be too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 the al391 urika in mention is date code bt wich i belive is a 2003 gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) I understand that mate I just thought that if they were making guns in 1994 that were steel proofed that the more modern ones would be too. so your 1994 beretta has a Fluer de Llys stamp ,it may be proofed for 3" magnum lead,most 2 3/4" chambered nitro proofed guns can be used with most 32gm size 4 or smaller steel shot cartridges, andrew Edited August 23, 2012 by andrewluke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 There are many reasons why it may not have the Fleur-de-llys, however that doesnt meant it isnt capable of HP steel loads, just hasnt been proofed for it, if you like the gun then send it for steel proof or see if GMK will sell you a steel proof barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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