ballzy1978 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Hi every one i've just bought a chrono and tested my gun and it's average power output is 12.80 well above the legal limit now I've had my hw100 for 2yrs now and have always used the same pellets and on many occasations I've been out with my rifle and could ov been stopped and had my rifle taken from me and also lost my shotgun licence aswell as getting a criminal record for a fire arms offence but the thing is a bought this rifle new from a gunsmith which I thought was legal and it's clearly reading different I was just wondering we're I stand and what would happen if I was to get stopped what chance would I ov had cheers darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Mostly if no other offence is commited they ask for you to agree with destuction of the gun by them and a caution. The law has to be applied in the public intrest for the CPS to take it to court remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 i find it incredible that they will be so sore on a gun for such a small margin over the 12ft lb. different if it was 30 ft lb. beggars belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballzy1978 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 i know what you mean but its still above the limit and id hate to lose my sgc i,ll have to ring the gunsmith from were i bought it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiLisCer Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 i know what you mean but its still above the limit and id hate to lose my sgc i,ll have to ring the gunsmith from were i bought it i know what you mean but its still above the limit and id hate to lose my sgc i,ll have to ring the gunsmith from were i bought it What pellets are you using - a lighter pellet will bring the gun down below the 12ft/lbs limit. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 What pellets are you using - a lighter pellet will bring the gun down below the 12ft/lbs limit. Mike Doesn't matter though. If they fire something through it which chronos over 12ft/lb you have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) Under what circumstances is this ever likely to happen though in reality? There must be hundreds of guns in this situation. Edited August 26, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Under what circumstances is this ever likely to happen though in reality? There must be hundreds of guns in this situation. This is exactly what I think every time I see a thread like this... Would the CPS/Police/Anyone care if you were less than 7% over the legal limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 The simple fact is that if you own a gun that is over the limit and it gets checked by the Law at the very least you wont be getting it back, at worst you will have a criminal record and a prison sentence. It needs turning down to sub 12 levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Agree completely, very unlikely, but, would you take the chance of losing your certs over a slightly over power air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 This is exactly what I think every time I see a thread like this... Would the CPS/Police/Anyone care if you were less than 7% over the legal limit? Yes, it's an absolute offence with no leeway. Do you really think they would waste resources having a gun checked by a forensic lab only to shrug their shoulders at the result and give you the gun back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 The cases I have seen where people end up in court is what we used to call.the ways and means act. A search warrant is executed for drugs for example, none found but an air rifle is seen so checked. If over the limit result..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigemo Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 As an ex-cop I would offer the following advice. Do not under any circumstances carry anything over twelve ft lbs without proper certification. The very nature if this thread highlights your responsibility and shows that you are good for the shooting world. I was told during Police training that I should seize any air rifle that appears to have been tampered with or modified. The clues looked for were bolts/screws with used/worn heads. I appreciate that you are talking about a standard rifle but discrepancy shouldn't be relied upon. As a hunter I would have let you off but a copper who is an anti wouldn't have. No way mate! Find which pellets drop your gun below twelve ft lbs and stick to those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloggs Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 As an ex-cop I would offer the following advice. Do not under any circumstances carry anything over twelve ft lbs without proper certification. The very nature if this thread highlights your responsibility and shows that you are good for the shooting world. I was told during Police training that I should seize any air rifle that appears to have been tampered with or modified. The clues looked for were bolts/screws with used/worn heads. I appreciate that you are talking about a standard rifle but discrepancy shouldn't be relied upon. As a hunter I would have let you off but a copper who is an anti wouldn't have. No way mate! Find which pellets drop your gun below twelve ft lbs and stick to those. What a good reply imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 As an ex-cop I would offer the following advice. Do not under any circumstances carry anything over twelve ft lbs without proper certification. The very nature if this thread highlights your responsibility and shows that you are good for the shooting world. I was told during Police training that I should seize any air rifle that appears to have been tampered with or modified. The clues looked for were bolts/screws with used/worn heads. I appreciate that you are talking about a standard rifle but discrepancy shouldn't be relied upon. As a hunter I would have let you off but a copper who is an anti wouldn't have. No way mate! Find which pellets drop your gun below twelve ft lbs and stick to those. What would be the point of that The Law states that a gun must not be capable of going over 12fpe with any ammunition that the testing lab decides to use, Whether you have any of that particular ammo is irrelevant. It seems generally that once seized the gun usually has a trip to a local gunshop to be fired over their chrono and if it looks like it is over the limit it will then be tested properly at a lab. I lent my chrono to a FEO some years ago for testing some air guns and he managed to shoot it instead :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Hi every one i've just bought a chrono and tested my gun and it's average power output is 12.80 well above the legal limit now I've had my hw100 for 2yrs now and have always used the same pellets and on many occasations I've been out with my rifle and could ov been stopped and had my rifle taken from me and also lost my shotgun licence aswell as getting a criminal record for a fire arms offence but the thing is a bought this rifle new from a gunsmith which I thought was legal and it's clearly reading different I was just wondering we're I stand and what would happen if I was to get stopped what chance would I ov had cheers darren SO how accurate is this chrono then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigemo Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 What would be the point of that The Law states that a gun must not be capable of going over 12fpe with any ammunition that the testing lab decides to use, Whether you have any of that particular ammo is irrelevant. It seems generally that once seized the gun usually has a trip to a local gunshop to be fired over their chrono and if it looks like it is over the limit it will then be tested properly at a lab. I lent my chrono to a FEO some years ago for testing some air guns and he managed to shoot it instead :blink: You're probably right to be honest. The training a regular bobby receives is very basic in most areas rather than being a specialist in few. You guys on here will surely learn me things to do with all aspects if shooting including the law. This said; I am personally yet to hear about anyone attending court and being found guilty with a defence as strong as someone who has chrono'd their gun and stuck to the ammo used. There's always a first time though. Good point mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 SO how accurate is this chrono then? Good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 You're probably right to be honest. The training a regular bobby receives is very basic in most areas rather than being a specialist in few. You guys on here will surely learn me things to do with all aspects if shooting including the law. This said; I am personally yet to hear about anyone attending court and being found guilty with a defence as strong as someone who has chrono'd their gun and stuck to the ammo used. There's always a first time though. Good point mate. Welcome to the forum, by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 It's all really confusing, I would really like basc and firearms to work on a standard test procedure so we all know where we stand. In a day where people are getting off with drink driving as the officer didn't have his hat on straight blar blar I can't be leave any airgun conviction would stand up in court with a good lawer. No std procedure, so many variables, different between forces, no tolerance for testing, no Machine calibrations etc etc. it's all very hit and miss. My chrono and my rfd,s disagree, should I flip a coin? It's stupid. We need a piece of paper, stating black and white what we need to do, what pellets it will be tested with, what machine so we can stay within the law. I bet so many guns can be put over 12 with the right pellet. But no one knows how they are tested. Anyone with a firearm cert (1 or 2) should be allowed air un restricted, make life easier I not long had a air gun, but it's so scary cos I don't know that am 100% legal. My rfd says I am, but how did he test it, will it be same as police. If he's wrong thats all my firearms gone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 How accurate are the scales? Combined the in accuracy in the measurement can easily add up to being 7% over or alot more! If the chrono and weight gave you 11ft/lbs would you up the power? Then what he opens when you gun gets tested and comes out at 13? "I'm not guilty officer my chrono at home said it was doing 11.7...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Going the other way ,its said that the .243 struggles to make the legal limit of 1700 foot pounds of energy at the muzzel for shooting deer with a 100 grain bullet . Any body knows of a stalker prosecuted for using an underpower rifle on deer ? Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigemo Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 It's all really confusing, I would really like basc and firearms to work on a standard test procedure so we all know where we stand. In a day where people are getting off with drink driving as the officer didn't have his hat on straight blar blar I can't be leave any airgun conviction would stand up in court with a good lawer. No std procedure, so many variables, different between forces, no tolerance for testing, no Machine calibrations etc etc. it's all very hit and miss. My chrono and my rfd,s disagree, should I flip a coin? It's stupid. We need a piece of paper, stating black and white what we need to do, what pellets it will be tested with, what machine so we can stay within the law. I bet so many guns can be put over 12 with the right pellet. But no one knows how they are tested. Anyone with a firearm cert (1 or 2) should be allowed air un restricted, make life easier I not long had a air gun, but it's so scary cos I don't know that am 100% legal. My rfd says I am, but how did he test it, will it be same as police. If he's wrong thats all my firearms gone... Very sensible post indeed. Black and White would be great but unfortunately won't ever be applied to law. I could spend hours typing up personal examples against coming sense! It would be great to see a list of legal standard guns regardless of ammo. Out of interest how much could the ammo differential push the gun over the limit and how much more dangerous would it be? PS: Sorry for my spelling. I'm on my phone and it keeps autocorrecting me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I have chrono'd mine with my own chrono and also with my local gunshops considerably bigger, flashier and more expensive so hopefully more accurate unit, they disagreed by 0.1 ft/lb. More importantly, we tried10 different weight/manufacturer/design permutations from dedicated FT pellets to full on hunting pellets. The Bisley Mags gave me the highest reading of 11.7, the trend then tended to be that the lighter the pellet the lower the figure, down to 11.1 ft/lb which IIRC was the Webley Mosquito. The Air Arms Fields bucked the trend slightly, they were mid weight range but chrono'd at 11.6ft/lb. I'm happy I've done as much as I can and would have a decent case if I ended up in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Pcp air guns can be a pain as a larger diameter or tight fitting pellets can hold the pellet back long enough to up the power, sometimes by quite a lot aswell. On the note of your air rifle there was an artical years ago about valve springs settleing on early air arms rifles putting there output over 12 ft. It just a thort but after 2 years it maybe worth while getting a service done to bring her back up to top form and check the power out put propperly. it's up to like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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