Beretta28g Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 is a rocket launcher over the top? Aim for the ankles then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 what ankles his legs are missing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 like i said before,keep your mouths shut as what you would do in regards to firearms ,just need the wrong person to read this thread and you might say goodbye to your FACs or SGCs ,but what i will say is if a robber want to come into my home ,he will be very sore ,the police might get a phone call from the hospital saying " we have a very uppset man here with a rampant rabbit sticking out were the sun don't shine " the wife is well tooled up lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Notice the news about this subject is about recent people defending their homes with shotguns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Don't leave your front door open, its almost an invitation (legally) to enter. Please remember, trespass is NOT a crime! FACT! It is only remedied in civil proceedings and you can only sue for loss or damage. No loss or damage, no remedy. (armed tresspass is a crime btw). So if someone is in your backgarden, tough. It only becomes a crime if aggravated (preventing you from peacefully going about your business). If they can enter your property without damage then again no crime (if they are clever or have good lawyer). Its all about intent. If you cannot prove intent (I.e. To take your property) then catching them in your house means very little. Its only if they dumb enough to admit intent to steal then its attempted burglary (if caught and chased off). This is qualified facts chaps, not my opinion (I trained as a lawyer). Be very careful about planning for breakins as your actions may be deemed as not defence in spur of moment rather planned thus you could be seen as on the offensive. Short answer, get good security and get insurance. If someone breaks un for your plasma or ps3 is it worth it to risk your life or liberty? Let them take it and hole up in bedroom with family and on phone to old bill. If however you are put at risk of life or limb then by all means respond appropriately in defence. By all means sit behind your bedroom door with one up the spout and shout out you are armed if they try to get in, if they carry on trying to enter then give em a warning shot low down (knees), if they keep coming aim higher... Just remember you are on the defensive not offensive (I.e. Try to dissuade or disable, not kill). Keep safe and don't get delusions to Bronson style vigilantism, we are not yanks (thankfully) and our largely gun free society needs to stay that way. Know the law and use it, it works! Lack of knowledge of the law is ultimately peoples failings, not the law itself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 Don't leave your front door open, its almost an invitation (legally) to enter. Please remember, trespass is NOT a crime! FACT! It is only remedied in civil proceedings and you can only sue for loss or damage. No loss or damage, no remedy. (armed tresspass is a crime btw). So if someone is in your backgarden, tough. It only becomes a crime if aggravated (preventing you from peacefully going about your business). If they can enter your property without damage then again no crime (if they are clever or have good lawyer). Its all about intent. If you cannot prove intent (I.e. To take your property) then catching them in your house means very little. Its only if they dumb enough to admit intent to steal then its attempted burglary (if caught and chased off). This is qualified facts chaps, not my opinion (I trained as a lawyer). Be very careful about planning for breakins as your actions may be deemed as not defence in spur of moment rather planned thus you could be seen as on the offensive. Short answer, get good security and get insurance. If someone breaks un for your plasma or ps3 is it worth it to risk your life or liberty? Let them take it and hole up in bedroom with family and on phone to old bill. If however you are put at risk of life or limb then by all means respond appropriately in defence. By all means sit behind your bedroom door with one up the spout and shout out you are armed if they try to get in, if they carry on trying to enter then give em a warning shot low down (knees), if they keep coming aim higher... Just remember you are on the defensive not offensive (I.e. Try to dissuade or disable, not kill). Keep safe and don't get delusions to Bronson style vigilantism, we are not yanks (thankfully) and our largely gun free society needs to stay that way. Know the law and use it, it works! Lack of knowledge of the law is ultimately peoples failings, not the law itself! how dose trespass work if you have no gate in your back garden and they have had to climb a fence to enter your garden ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted October 9, 2012 Report Share Posted October 9, 2012 No crime, just a civil remedy to sue for damages. Was any damage caused? If no damage what do you sue for? Nothing.. Ok so perhaps they were going to steal something. If they are caught in act a clever thief will just say he wanted to look at it, (assuming not left your property) thus no intent to steal (deprive you of your posession) thus no attempted crime. Any damage caused? If not then no remedy.should trespass be a crime? As a blanket law no for many reasons. Thing is most crims are stupid and will admit intent so stitch themselves up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown Sauce Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Think I might add another sticker to the front window, alongside the Neighbourhood Watch, No I don't buy from doorstep sales people, beware the children, NRA, BASC and RSPB...... This household uses lethal force!! Hmmmm at least all those entering the house have been warned. Goes double for the in laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 "If you can read this, you are within range." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storme37 Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 "If you can read this, you are within range." put it on the wall just inside your front hall lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 "If you can read this, you are within range." "If you can read this with binoculars you are in range" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 "If you can't read this you are either an uneducated dolt or a foreigner, and will in either case be shot." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 Whilst you are reading, or attempting to read this I'm taking aim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 By the time you reached the third word I had you in my sights..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 He he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHE Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I think that that the law is OK as it is. It seems to me that the problem is not with the law per se, but with the police. They seem to regard themselves as shepherds and the public as sheep who need to be controlled, rather than protected. A good analogy might be that a pack of wolves is circling a flock of sheep, the shepherd does his best but can’t stop the wolves from attacking the sheep. A ram then attacks a wolf to defend the sheep, so the shepherd kicks the ram, to teach the sheep a lesson and let them know who is in charge… The police need to recognise that if a member of the public is under attack and stands and fights back, it's because he absolutely has to. He is the victim, not the criminal, and if he is a respectable member of society with a permanent address (which is pretty easy to check out quickly) then there is no need to arrest him and stick him in a cell for hours or even days whilst they 'make enquiries'. All that they actually need is a quick statement from the person and any witnesses, more detailed enquiries can be carried out later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I think the problem is not the law it is the police overreacting instead of dealing with things on a sensible way its they must have broken some law the first thing to do is arrest them and then we can look in all of the law books to see what we can charge them with. Compare this to most other European countries where the police tend to think is this a sensible way of doing things or just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 A good post GHE +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) I think that that the law is OK as it is. It seems to me that the problem is not with the law per se, but with the police. They seem to regard themselves as shepherds and the public as sheep who need to be controlled, rather than protected. A good analogy might be that a pack of wolves is circling a flock of sheep, the shepherd does his best but can’t stop the wolves from attacking the sheep. A ram then attacks a wolf to defend the sheep, so the shepherd kicks the ram, to teach the sheep a lesson and let them know who is in charge… The police need to recognise that if a member of the public is under attack and stands and fights back, it's because he absolutely has to. He is the victim, not the criminal, and if he is a respectable member of society with a permanent address (which is pretty easy to check out quickly) then there is no need to arrest him and stick him in a cell for hours or even days whilst they 'make enquiries'. All that they actually need is a quick statement from the person and any witnesses, more detailed enquiries can be carried out later. Lovely thought, but rubbish in reality, the Police get a call of someone being shot, what do you expect? I'd expect a thorough investigation, and if that means detention, so be it. In your theatre anyone with a permanent address is allowed to kill/wound/mortally injure and not expect to be arrested, statements taken, forensic exams? The system is there to protect you, how would your brief have a chance of defending you if you were just 'set free'? I can't see how being a homeowner, shotgun owner, and shoot someone negates you from a police investigation....nuts. Edited October 10, 2012 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I can see it now..I get sent to a house, dead body on the floor , homeowner stood over it with a gun. I call the DI and say its ok Guv, I didn't nick him cos I know where he lives and he said it was self defence. He has promised not to do a runner or destroy any evidence and says he will pop into the nick next Tuesday for a chat about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 no the problem is the scumbag that robs your home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I can see it now..I get sent to a house, dead body on the floor , homeowner stood over it with a gun. I call the DI and say its ok Guv, I didn't nick him cos I know where he lives and he said it was self defence. He has promised not to do a runner or destroy any evidence and says he will pop into the nick next Tuesday for a chat about it. Well, that'd certainly save on the paperwork. Then you could get back to catching those illusive 'real criminals'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 It would only be a matter of time before some berk lured Some one they "didn't like" into there house an shot em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr15j Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 It would only be a matter of time before some berk lured Some one they "didn't like" into there house an shot em! Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 A lot of strong views on this thread and most agree. My point of view is that if I find you in my house uninvited, you are not there to bring me some chocolates. Since I worked hard to buy my house and all of my possessions, you had better be prepared for a fight if you intended to relieve me of any of them. Firstly you will meet my very affectionate terrier, who may very well be in "slightly annoyed" mode, then you will meet me. If you have not been deterred by the terrier then I may have got a gun from the cabinet, or a golf club, cricket bat etc. if you walked into the house, you will be as a minimum limping out, and of course as I confronted you, I saw something flash in your hand and assumed you had a knife so feared for my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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