tigger Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 How would Scotland defend itself should it need to, do they have there own armed forces or would we have to back them up? What happens when the oil and gas runs out because that's what they reckon will keep Scotland afloat should they become independent or will they be knocking on our door cap in hand? I've been to Scotland numerous times stalking and for holidays I think its a stunning place and would move there in a heartbeat the people who I have met even the old guard stalkers think it would be a bad idea, salmond is just a power hungry idiot who will run the country in to the ground and discard it like an oily rag then somebody will have to pick up the pieces and I bet I no who that will be...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) I blame Mel Gibson. Its hard to know what way it will go they voted for that *** Alex Salmond. Which does not fill me with confidence that they will make a wise decision. Edited October 19, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) Wouldn't it be cheaper and simpler and more beneficial all round if London was expelled from the UK? It may surprise some Scots, but there are plenty of English people who detest the metropolitan elite and its multi-culti manbag carrying urban preoccupations as much as they do. As for Salmond, I can't help thinking that if you stuck a bushy moustache and a toupee on him you'd more or less have Stalin. Edited October 19, 2012 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 if the jock's go it alone does that mean the english can have raiding partys for rape and pilage? Yeah, I've heard Englishmen like Scottish men....the good thing is the Scottish women can beat the Englishmen back...:yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Wouldn't it be cheaper and simpler and more beneficial all round if London was expelled from the UK? It may surprise some Scots, but there are plenty of English people who detest the metropolitan elite and its multi-culti manbag carrying urban preoccupations as much as they do. As for Salmond, I can't help thinking that if you stuck a bushy moustache and a toupee on him you'd more or less have Stalin. Very true... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksaplenty Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Part of what makes Scotland so great is its sense of togtherness based mainly on the hatred of the English. What happens if they get independance...they will no longer be united in being the under dog, instead you'll see how divided Scotland really is. Also Spain have indicated that they would vote against an automatic EU membership. Chances are therefore that the Scottish currency would crash and we'd all head up there to buy up the houses in the nicer parts, so effectively you'll get more English living on Scotland than ever before. If you've got any sense you'll vote no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon pete Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I am all for any country that wants to look after its own affairs however would they still take tax money from the rest of the UK??? Would they ever really be independent if they depended on the rest of us for their taxes?? And if we have to pay for there social welfare, nhs etc shouldn't we have a say in how they spend our money?? you said the same as me on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Part of what makes Scotland so great is its sense of togtherness based mainly on the hatred of the English. What happens if they get independance...they will no longer be united in being the under dog, instead you'll see how divided Scotland really is. Also Spain have indicated that they would vote against an automatic EU membership. Chances are therefore that the Scottish currency would crash and we'd all head up there to buy up the houses in the nicer parts, so effectively you'll get more English living on Scotland than ever before. If you've got any sense you'll vote no. What a load of rubbish about "hatred of English" that's an opinion and certainly not a "great thing" about up here, you get Scotsmen and you get "jocks" the same as you get Englishmen and you get "guffy's"....the jocks and guffy's are the nutters that want to see "the united kingdom of Great Britain" become just "Britain"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksaplenty Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 What a load of rubbish about "hatred of English" that's an opinion and certainly not a "great thing" about up here, you get Scotsmen and you get "jocks" the same as you get Englishmen and you get "guffy's"....the jocks and guffy's are the nutters that want to see "the united kingdom of Great Britain" become just "Britain"... Aberdonians just hate everyone!! I've been down Union Street on a Saturday night!! - i also used to work in a nightclub there called Bensons - is it still there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Aberdonians just hate everyone!! I've been down Union Street on a Saturday night!! - i also used to work in a nightclub there called Bensons - is it still there? Nope - and Aberdeen isn't actually that bad...just certain parts of it (much like every city) Are you sure it was be sons and not berlins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksaplenty Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Nope - and Aberdeen isn't actually that bad...just certain parts of it (much like every city) Are you sure it was be sons and not berlins? It was back in 1990, just off union street. Back then it had the reputation for being the most violent place in Europe on a Saturday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 So all you Scots,on what will you base your vote and decision? What are the true financial implications on which to base a decision?Or will it just be remember Bannockburn and we hate the English?? What you don`t seem to understand is, not everyone in Scotland is Scottish. Independence and keep the pound? Not really independent is it? I will vote NO and if it is a yes vote, I`m coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 There was a very good article in the Telegraph today [sorry can't do links] by Fraser Nelson - a Scot, and a Tory! - about the achilles heel of devolution/localism/decentralisation of politics, of which Scottish independence is a natural progression. And that is it only works if you've got politicians of sufficient quality to do it justice. And we haven't. He says: "I was once an enthusiastic advocate of devolution. ...hugely excited about the prospect of a Scottish Parliament and what I imagined would be a democratic rebirth in Edinburgh. I argued with room-emptying conviction about how a new breed of Scottish politician would emerge, and come up with innovative ideas that would really show Westminster how to run a country. I have been feasting on humble pie ever since. The parliament ended up awash with former councillors who used their powers to thwart reform, hoard control and ban things." That sounds all very familiar. Is that what Billy Connolly meant when he described Holyrood as "the wee pretendy parliament"? Scotland has even fewer politicians to draw on than England. To underline the point Nelson observes that in the forthcoming Police and Crime Commissioner elections in England and Wales, one of the candidates for Humberside is John Prescot. If that's the best we can do with power to the populace then God help Scotland if Salmond is the best available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 A no vote for me, as Henry D not everyone who lives in Scotland is Scottish well Scottish on my fathers side. I dont see why Salmond wants to take power from Westminster and basically given more to Brussels. The area I live in is quite poor and with Faslane base being the home of our nuclear weapons employing thousands of local people I think if independence happens I too will move back down south as not only will there be no jobs, tax will rise and probably be too unsafe to live here with crime. I guess if we got independence our currency will be a 10salmond note and a 2 Sturgeon piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I would vote no - if I had a vote - too much shared history to be thrown away. Although there are national stereotypes and we dont love each other overly, I'd only want the scots (and the welsh) on my borders. Vive la difference - but together. If Alex Salmond entices the Scots away from the 'relationship of equals' in this modern day, then I have to say my respect for the Scots natural intelligence will diminish and maybe them no longer having a say south of the border would be a good thing in that context. I remember a Scots prime minister who we all hated, north and south, but he spent a hell of a lot of our collective money north of the border - I only see AS as a power hungry jingoistic clot - much in the mould of the late unlamented Mussolini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
officerdibble777 Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 As a shooting forum PW is the best ,on politics ? in my opinion quite a few of you talk **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Don't worry about it. It isn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beeredup Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Lunatics! and if they do by some miracle get independance I'll be packing up and heading south.... Salmond is a power hungry nut case! bang on the money!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 I can imagine a scene in some MSP's surgery between an constituent member and a MSP after "independence".... "Can your government abolish VAT on x, y, z?" "Sorry, the EU controls the VAT laws." "Can you stop the developent of a wind farm at X place?" "Sorry, we must hit the EU's carbon targets." "Can you control immigration?" "Sorry, the EU has an policy of free movement of labour, services and capital accross all member states' borders." "Can you prevent the deportation of X to a mafia controlled area of Romania?" "Sorry, our justice system must comply with the European Arrest Warrant." "Can you only allow Scottish fishermen to fish in Scottish waters?" "Sorry, the EU's Common Fisheries Policy doesn't allow that." "Well what can Hollyrood do?" "Exactly the same as Westminster, rubberstamp EU legislation into our statue books, and award ourselves generously by doing that." It'll be business as usual! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 What a numpty comment to make - if you believe that you are as big an idiot as the ultra patriotic lunatics that try to sway the vote by making it tie in with bannockburn and including 16 and 17 year olds... No I'm not a numpty I am a second generation scot and a proud Campbell. Scotland has no industry worth talking about except tourism (big deal) and a bit of agriculture and a bit of fishing both of which are on their knees. They make a huge big deal about the oil but its not their oil and it never was. It just gets landed in Scotland because Aberdeen was dying and they recycled it as a port.. There are more wasters and bone idle losers in Scotland than anywhere else in the British Isles and that takes some doing given the competition from Liverpool and Newcastle. Scotland has more alcohlics per head of population than anywhere else in the western world. It seems to me that every Scot these days has an almighty chip on their shoulders and Alex Salmond is winding them up. Scotland is a beautiful country, scenery to die for but to me they need to accept their role in life as the biggest theme park in the world. Don't knock it, its a living, if you want it to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Can anyone give me a quote for 72 miles of wall please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Economically will the rest of us be better off if Scotland goes it alone? If so bring it on! It's got to be a win win? Lampwick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 No I'm not a numpty I am a second generation scot and a proud Campbell. Scotland has no industry worth talking about except tourism (big deal) and a bit of agriculture and a bit of fishing both of which are on their knees. They make a huge big deal about the oil but its not their oil and it never was. It just gets landed in Scotland because Aberdeen was dying and they recycled it as a port.. There are more wasters and bone idle losers in Scotland than anywhere else in the British Isles and that takes some doing given the competition from Liverpool and Newcastle. Scotland has more alcohlics per head of population than anywhere else in the western world. It seems to me that every Scot these days has an almighty chip on their shoulders and Alex Salmond is winding them up. Scotland is a beautiful country, scenery to die for but to me they need to accept their role in life as the biggest theme park in the world. Don't knock it, its a living, if you want it to be Vince. Think there are more Scots living in Liverpool than Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 No I'm not a numpty I am a second generation scot and a proud Campbell. Scotland has no industry worth talking about except tourism (big deal) and a bit of agriculture and a bit of fishing both of which are on their knees. They make a huge big deal about the oil but its not their oil and it never was. It just gets landed in Scotland because Aberdeen was dying and they recycled it as a port.. There are more wasters and bone idle losers in Scotland than anywhere else in the British Isles and that takes some doing given the competition from Liverpool and Newcastle. Scotland has more alcohlics per head of population than anywhere else in the western world. It seems to me that every Scot these days has an almighty chip on their shoulders and Alex Salmond is winding them up. Scotland is a beautiful country, scenery to die for but to me they need to accept their role in life as the biggest theme park in the world. Don't knock it, its a living, if you want it to be Sorry, I stopped reading when it stopped making sense - so I got as far as "no, I'm not a numpty".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 if they go it along, we will still have to pay for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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