ordnance Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 I dont need to explain anything to you,i gave you the chance to carry this on via PM either take that option or bye bye BB Thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Thought so. PMD you, Edited November 6, 2012 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 seems even those who do know what they are talking about are pious and self righteous Former head of royal protection Dai Davies told BBC Wales it was "extremely difficult" for a gun to be fired accidentally. "The training is fairly rigorous as you would expect, particularly for royal protection," he said. "These people carry guns day in day out, discreetly. "One of the key things to being selected is to pass a rigorous firearms and psychological test to ensure those charged with protecting the royal family are up to it in every single way. "Over the years, once or twice, accidents do happen." Mr Davies said human error was a more likely explanation than a malfunctioning weapon. "Either the safety catch wasn't on or, for some reason, the officer put his finger on the trigger and pulled it because, frankly, that's the only way I know a bullet can be discharged," he said. Over to you Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 My 2 penneth.... If your handling firearms day in day out all day long there is always a chance that accidents will happen, thats life. How many times have we seen people trapping there fingers in semi auto shotguns (not as dramatic - but I bet you they didnt mean to do it...) - Oh and by the way its called an unintentional discharge these days.... Unintentional discharge ......... really, the mind boggles. Still, whats in a word if you did it unintentionally its still still negligent. No sympathy would be extended to a civvy shooter and none should be extended to forces or police (am ex forces) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 :lol: :lol: Its all drivel :yes: and for the record i use firearms daily,im in date on all weapon handling tests,and i get tested monthly by a firearms instructor,i check zero my personal weapon twice a month,and complete the ACMT every 2 months even though its only required annually so with my "things happen attitude" l seem to be doing just fine,i will run my thinking by a firearms instructor tomorrow at work and i reckon i will be just fine thanks for your input though BB I also have a very good freind who's a Thames valley FEO,hes ex armed response,and another freind who was Royal protection both of them have given me references for shooting perms and character references in the past,so i guess if they think im "allowed near firearms" well go figure Whats your story i'm looking forward to your reply BB Think you may get the award for the most pompous post yet ! Sure you dont care about my opinion though & being pedantic, think you mean you carry firearms daily unless there are a LOT more firearms incidents than reported or have an unlimited training budget (unlikely) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Looking at it from the point Harry made I can see how things can go wrong. Cycling the gun before removing the mag is pretty dumb and you wouldn't think anyone would be stupid enough to do it let alone a trained user. That said I stuck my finger in the blade of my running hedge cutter a few years back and cut the end off. I'm a pro, I use them all the time and do know better. Note to self, that was silly and it hurt. But I did it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 The interesting thing when you look at penalties etc is these guys go into a job where they effectively have to carry a gun, be easier for them to take desk jobs etc if it gets too silly with accidents loosing you your job and pension etc. Its probably the best argument for not arming the police and certainly if you look to our friends over the water their stats on ND's etc are pretty shocking the fundamentals are though the more guns in circulation with the police the more they will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Think you may get the award for the most pompous post yet ! Sure you dont care about my opinion though & being pedantic, think you mean you carry firearms daily unless there are a LOT more firearms incidents than reported or have an unlimited training budget (unlikely) I think BB has the right context if he is a firearms officer, because he would carry his side arm(strapped to his leg)but his rifle would be stowed most of the time until needed,and to use would also imply it is a tool that is in everyday use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Looking at it from the point Harry made I can see how things can go wrong. Cycling the gun before removing the mag is pretty dumb and you wouldn't think anyone would be stupid enough to do it let alone a trained user. That said I stuck my finger in the blade of my running hedge cutter a few years back and cut the end off. I'm a pro, I use them all the time and do know better. Note to self, that was silly and it hurt. But I did it..... What did you do that for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 One point to note is the police can not be ordered to carry firearms. Every firearms officer in the country could hand in their tickets today and they could do NOTHING about it. No arv's, firearms teams, royal or diplomatic protection, counter terrorism or airport police, flying squad or instructors. It is a voulantry thing so if officers got the sack for an ND there would be an exodus. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo90 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 back to the surname issue.........you can call yourself anything you want. I am now "Lord Compo Of Drivel" and i have accidentally discharged in my underpants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 and i have accidentally discharged in my underpants Thank you for sharing that message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 One point to note is the police can not be ordered to carry firearms. Every firearms officer in the country could hand in their tickets today and they could do NOTHING about it. No arv's, firearms teams, royal or diplomatic protection, counter terrorism or airport police, flying squad or instructors. It is a voulantry thing so if officers got the sack for an ND there would be an exodus. Harry When you say got the sack do you mean dismissed from the force or removed from firearms duty ? , just wondering . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Lot of rubbish spouted on this thread as usual . If it was a glock model 17 then an accidental discharge should not have happened . The model 17 is proberbly the safest hand gun in the world ,thats why many law enforcements agencies throughout out the world use this pistol .. The only way a model 17 can be fired is by pulling the trigger . Any body who has shot a glock will know that the trigger pull is long and heavy and absolutely use less as a target pistol . The safety catch is Incorporated in the trigger itself and the first pressure on the trigger releases the safety . The glock is a double action gun only and is likened to being a 17 shot revolver . No this was not an accidental discharge but a deliberate pull of the trigger . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 One point to note is the police can not be ordered to carry firearms. Every firearms officer in the country could hand in their tickets today and they could do NOTHING about it. No arv's, firearms teams, royal or diplomatic protection, counter terrorism or airport police, flying squad or instructors. It is a voulantry thing so if officers got the sack for an ND there would be an exodus. Harry I KNOW of one officer SACKED not demoted or moved to another area!! for an ND he set his gun off in the messing facility he was based at FACT not fiction by the way. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Lot of rubbish spouted on this thread as usual . If it was a glock model 17 then an accidental discharge should not have happened . The model 17 is proberbly the safest hand gun in the world ,thats why many law enforcements agencies throughout out the world use this pistol .. The only way a model 17 can be fired is by pulling the trigger . Any body who has shot a glock will know that the trigger pull is long and heavy and absolutely use less as a target pistol . The safety catch is Incorporated in the trigger itself and the first pressure on the trigger releases the safety . The glock is a double action gun only and is likened to being a 17 shot revolver . No this was not an accidental discharge but a deliberate pull of the trigger . Harnser . All true even so the new york police department had their glocks modified because of the number of negligent discharges. New York plus that has a trigger pull weight of 12 lbs. negligent discharge of a firearm - YouTube stupid fat cop with a gun - YouTube PS I didn't title the video. Edited November 7, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Unintentional discharge ......... really, the mind boggles. Still, whats in a word if you did it unintentionally its still still negligent. No sympathy would be extended to a civvy shooter and none should be extended to forces or police (am ex forces) Just out of interest... you are at the 200m range with your SLR (yes, I am that old.... just!) prone and awaiting orders. You are told to load and make ready. you whack a mag in and pull the cocking lever back, let it go and..... BANG... slam fire! what is that? finger no where near the trigger... mechanical issue which is not unheard of... is that a 'negligent' discharge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Lot of rubbish spouted on this thread as usual . If it was a glock model 17 then an accidental discharge should not have happened . The model 17 is proberbly the safest hand gun in the world ,thats why many law enforcements agencies throughout out the world use this pistol .. The only way a model 17 can be fired is by pulling the trigger . Any body who has shot a glock will know that the trigger pull is long and heavy and absolutely use less as a target pistol . The safety catch is Incorporated in the trigger itself and the first pressure on the trigger releases the safety . The glock is a double action gun only and is likened to being a 17 shot revolver . No this was not an accidental discharge but a deliberate pull of the trigger . Harnser . What of the photos on the first page Harnser... that was a Glock... that was certainly no 'negligent' discharge unless we start down the route that the person involved should have been more aware of wear on the holster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Just out of interest... you are at the 200m range with your SLR (yes, I am that old.... just!) prone and awaiting orders. You are told to load and make ready. you whack a mag in and pull the cocking lever back, let it go and..... BANG... slam fire! what is that? finger no where near the trigger... mechanical issue which is not unheard of... is that a 'negligent' discharge? No that's a mechanical failure in the firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Think you may get the award for the most pompous post yet ! Sure you dont care about my opinion though & being pedantic, think you mean you carry firearms daily unless there are a LOT more firearms incidents than reported or have an unlimited training budget (unlikely) Unintentional discharge ......... really, the mind boggles. Still, whats in a word if you did it unintentionally its still still negligent. No sympathy would be extended to a civvy shooter and none should be extended to forces or police (am ex forces) Thanks for the compliment i'm not worthy of such an award And if your going to pick my grammar up,check your own post first you seem to have a stuuuter BB No that's a mechanical failure in the firearm. At last we agree on something,BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Lot of rubbish spouted on this thread as usual . If it was a glock model 17 then an accidental discharge should not have happened . The model 17 is proberbly the safest hand gun in the world ,thats why many law enforcements agencies throughout out the world use this pistol .. The only way a model 17 can be fired is by pulling the trigger . Any body who has shot a glock will know that the trigger pull is long and heavy and absolutely use less as a target pistol . The safety catch is Incorporated in the trigger itself and the first pressure on the trigger releases the safety . The glock is a double action gun only and is likened to being a 17 shot revolver . No this was not an accidental discharge but a deliberate pull of the trigger . Harnser . I doubt very much that he intended it to happen..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I doubt very much that he intended it to happen..... There is a big difference between negligent and accidental . Knowing the gun I will say that it was a negligent discharge . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I KNOW of one officer SACKED not demoted or moved to another area!! for an ND he set his gun off in the messing facility he was based at FACT not fiction by the way. KW I'm sure you are 100% correct and I'm sure people have done stupid things with guns to cause ND's and that could well amount to gross misconduct. It's more likley the manner of the ND that caused the sacking. I don't think for one minute letting one go in the bag whilst unloading would get you the sack but putting one through the roof of the canteen whilst showing off to your mates might. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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