Big Mat Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) The eley website isnt very helpful for these! Edited November 10, 2012 by Big Mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 I would'nt bother getting concerned with these "Cat" you only need longer string on them corks!!!.......leave it to the "chuckle Brothers". :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 The eley website isnt very helpful for these! I have heard lots more info coming shortly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted November 10, 2012 Report Share Posted November 10, 2012 Out of curiosity, are they doing a 10 g load? I'm guessing probably not. Will have to try a few out on the shore and see how things go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfish77 Posted November 11, 2012 Report Share Posted November 11, 2012 What price did you pay for them please as there seems to be some differing retail prices. Hi, The price we paid was 150 for 500, wouldnnt be suprised to see the price go up with the demand . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codanchor Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 ive ordered some today the 36 gm 3 inch no 3 shot, after ringing eley to find a local norfolk dealer which turned out to be thetford gun and clothing based in thetford norfolk, the prices quoted was £70.70 for 250, approx .28 pence each and should be with me by the weekend, will give a report on how i get on with them after a trip or two on the wash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 the powder that is used is to reduce the pressure to within safe pressure limits and still give the shot /wad charge good speed. eley are part of the maxam group who supply there own powders. this has been specially formulated to shoot steel fast at lower pressures than traditional powders. because of the nature of ballistics, you ll notice that the powder charge is larger than normal weights. im actually glad that eley have taken a huge stand on these, the shot speed exceeds the maximum set by the CIP. but the pressure needs to still be in the safe zone. the only thing that slightly bugs me is the shotsizes of 5s but 32g of fast 5s are alot better than 4s at 800fps. that is a world of difference. i cant wait to see comercial reply / from hull, lylevale, gamebore, and all the big continental names like rio,rc, etc. most manufacturers make shells that breech CIP speeds anyway, they just are not for sale in the uk. now that eley have 'lead' the way.(excuse the pun) i have noticed that a manufacturer took off their website, one of the shells that isnt. it stated non uk. i would expect price wars or speed wars. but shooting anything 1700fps is going to hurt both ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 . but shooting anything 1700fps is going to hurt both ends. i have been using the 36g Lighting for the last two week and can confirm the qouted speed They defo hit Geese hard but NOT HARD on the shoulder ( no more than 3" Gamebore 36g ) shot through a pump and O/U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlistairB Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Does this increase in speed mean a need for different proofing or choking? I saw a post saying the pressure was kept low, but you're still pushing non deformable steel at greater speed through a constricting barrel and choke. Cheers AB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 i have been using the 36g Lighting for the last two week and can confirm the qouted speed They defo hit Geese hard but NOT HARD on the shoulder ( no more than 3" Gamebore 36g ) shot through a pump and O/U was the speed actually 1700fps, most manufactured cartridges never hit the quoted speed. the speeds are very funny as they are taken from 2.5m from muzzel and calculated back. usually an estimated fps is added. this used to be approx 100fps, but i had a chat with a very knowlegable chap, and 50fps is the realistic addition to the 2.5m fps reading. when a cartridge series are tested usually one shell is acclimatised to a set temperature to make sure the shells never get above maximum pressure in the summer months. as this shell is warmer, it experiences more pressure and more fps, so theoretically and actually observed so can be published. but i get your point, about the recoil being comparative. i would have assumed that the recoil being more due to the speed, but untill its put on a N/S scale, and tested, we wouldnt know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Does this increase in speed mean a need for different proofing or choking? I saw a post saying the pressure was kept low, but you're still pushing non deformable steel at greater speed through a constricting barrel and choke. Cheers AB Normal rules for high performance steel loads apply, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B525 LIGHT Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Just wondering if anyone who has some can confirm are they UK of US shot sizes? Pellet size UK US 5 2.8mm 3.1mm 3 3.3mm 3.6mm 1 3.6mm 4.0mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 you are best working out pellets per OZ. its the only way for sensible comparison between the shotsizes, us shotsizes are usually one size larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Still impossible to get near me the 3 inch shells . My two local gunshops give a delivery time months away and the few shops that did stock it ( about 120 mile trip ) have all sold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Sounds like Eley might miss the boat and the fowling season will be over before we get to try them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenntay Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Anser my local sold out within a couple of day and don't expect any more this year from eley due to time available the loading machines I,m picking mine up tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I'm told eley are knocking them out as fast as they can one chap who had some of the original batch had ordered 15000 and two others 5000 each I got 500 lightning ultra on Tuesday 36 and 32 gramm the delay was getting the components from Europe with the Spanish on strike the earlier last week Donkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Fowlers running round like headless chickens trying to get hold of cartridges that very few have tried, even fewer have put through a chrono, the only report i've seen of a chrono reading of the 36g had them at 1450fsp so no where near the claimed 1600, how on earth did we manage before, only good thing is it will hopefully make mammoths easier to get hold of. Ordering 15000 is just stupid its creating a problem just like the fuel crisis that never was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reabrook Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 Fowlers running round like headless chickens trying to get hold of cartridges that very few have tried, even fewer have put through a chrono, the only report i've seen of a chrono reading of the 36g had them at 1450fsp so no where near the claimed 1600, how on earth did we manage before, only good thing is it will hopefully make mammoths easier to get hold of. Ordering 15000 is just stupid its creating a problem just like the fuel crisis that never was. Amen! Can't see I'll be switching from mammoths anytime soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawntredder Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 they aint gan improve ya shooting any coz tha a faster shell...people see things and automatically think tha onto a good thing.if ya a **** shot then they wont make you any betta..get a grip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 they aint gan improve ya shooting any coz tha a faster shell...people see things and automatically think tha onto a good thing.if ya a **** shot then they wont make you any betta..get a grip! I agree that ANY cartridge will not make anyone shoot better. However, if they do have the velocity that is claimed, it may make sure that any birds that are shot are hit harder, thus giving better kills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 yup, i think the boat has been missed by eley and the taxi home. it wouldnt surprise me if the other manufacturers released their version of speed steel before next season. eley should have released them before august. i think the big 2 manufacturers hull and gamebore.... have some task ahead. gamebore especially as there shells must have taken a hit when the new steel shells arrived. although, they have the shells available to reply to eleys invasion of nontoxic steel market. hull have not done much with steel, i`m kinda dissmayed, really. shame because they have always made decent shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I agree that ANY cartridge will not make anyone shoot better. However, if they do have the velocity that is claimed, it may make sure that any birds that are shot are hit harder, thus giving better kills. It would appear they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 http://www.maxam.net/media/Default%20Files/Outdoors/BlueSteelCatalogue.pdf it seems that there have been a few new releases of steel shells. rio and eleyhawk are owned by the same group, maxam. the rio steel shells have the equivalents too. hopefully these come on the market, too./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 It would appear they don't. Maybe they don't carry the quoted velocity, but i have seen very little evidence yet that suggests otherwise. http://www.maxam.net...elCatalogue.pdf it seems that there have been a few new releases of steel shells. rio and eleyhawk are owned by the same group, maxam. the rio steel shells have the equivalents too. hopefully these come on the market, too./ I'd give their 1 3/8 load a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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