davids3511 Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 I have been clay shooting under tuition with my son for about 6 months now and am sure we are going to keep it up. My problem is with the counter signature for the SGC. I don't really know anybody that is in a professional position that could sign other than my partners sister in law. We are not married but have been together for 15 years and have a child. Would her sister in law be considered a 'relative' of mine? I am not originally from the UK so don't have the community background a local would. If I was in Ireland I would have no problem. Cheers for any help. Don't want to apply and be refused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 ANOTHER CERTIFICATE HOLDER CAN DO IT, IF THEY HAVE KNOWN YOU LONG ENOUGH, OR GET A CLUB OFFICIAL TO DO IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 The same rules apply weather you are married or not. How about your employer, vet, bank manager or vicar. Why not speak to your firearms department, explain your problem and ask for their advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davids3511 Posted January 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 I'm self employed, bank with Abbey national (you never see anyone), don't have a vet (Doctor won't do it) and don't go to church. However, I did speak to the GMP firearms unit today (they were very helpful and friendly) and explained my situation. They said they would accept a countersignatury from the Rep of Ireland so I'm sorted. It will take a little longer with the post and what not but I'll get there in the end. Cheers for all the replys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive By Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 In Essex my renewal form came through (this month) with some paper attached to it stating that the rules in relation to the counter signature have changed. Now it just needs to be someone you have known for the stated amount of time who is not a policeman. I've previously asked teacher friends to do it but now it seems i can ask anyone of they've know me long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 I am self employed,registered for tax,have an accountant,i counter signed my mates renewal,no problem the feo rung me up,asked the relevant questions done and dusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Would someone in the teaching profession be acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Farmer who i worked for did mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Would someone in the teaching profession be acceptable? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telf Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 got my boss to sign mine,hes just a divisional director of the company i work for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey1972 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 A pub landlord or even a local shop keeper would suffice as long as they have been in business for a reasonable length of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Farmer I shoot for did mine twice now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 a farm manager did a my mates for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) The list is not exclusive, it is an example your partners sister is a no but partners sister in law i think would be fine. As you say you are sorted its more important that they "know" you rather than someone you see once a year and have done for 5 years (your accountant etc) a work colleague if your a spark, a plumber you have worked with closely for a couple of years and had a few jars with etc would be better... Edited January 9, 2013 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) If my memory serves me correct, my FEO said a person with good standing can countersign but has to know you personally, I got my next door neighbour she's a beautician Edited January 10, 2013 by Willpoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 got told I can being an engineer/machinist if ive known them the correct time frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Lady behind the counter in the local village Post Office has signed mine twice now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) I suspect very few people can get a doctor, bank manager (there's a laugh) vicar, JP etc to sign their applications these days. Interestingly the referee "status" for a FAC seems less restrictive - the following from the HO Guidance to Police Forces - 10.7 A referee may be of any background or occupation. A referee must be of good character, whom the police may trust to give honest replies to the questions contained on the referee form (the referee is not required to guarantee the applicant’s good behaviour). 10.8 Members of the applicant’s family may not act as referees. In the absence of a Court ruling, family is taken to mean the following: mother; father; son; daughter; sister; brother; aunt; uncle; grand parent and mother/father/sister/brother in law. Cousins are not regarded as immediate family but cohabiting partners should be considered as “family” for these purposes and not be accepted. Serving police officers, police civilian employees and registered firearms dealers (but see paragraph 10.9) may not act as referees. I had a neighbour and a friend do my SGC and FAC, both of whom had known me well for over 20 years - but 2 years would have been enough. Edited January 10, 2013 by SakoQuad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 That's great info - Thanks SakoQuad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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