Elmer Fudd 1 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 i was originally thinking of going for a pump gun for the field and the clays. the reason being they are cheaper than the semis (budget = £200-£350) and can also cycle 28gram loads and above for which i prefer 21 gram carts for clays. so it seems obvious to go for a pump. however speaking to the local gun shop owner, he says that pumps are terrible and i shouldn't waste my time with one.below are my views; pump action semi auto --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- can cycle 21 gram loads doesn't require the "pump" between shot cheaper can shoot quicker reliable can jam occasionally chance of a short stroke more practical i will add to this as i think of more but basically its between the hatsan escort semi and the winchester sxp pump Revo is out of the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMMER BURT Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 for me an auto for clays is top fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd 1 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 for me an auto for clays is top fun but that means id have to use 28 grams carts instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim c Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 i have a 410 pump and a escort 12 gauge semi both have there job which is why i own them. semi is for pigeon decoying and the 410 for roost shooting and rabbits on over grown land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 but that means id have to use 28 grams carts instead why would using 28 gram cartridges be a issue , less felt recoil on a semi anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 fudd, you say an auto is more practicle! I don't understand that. Pumps are more practicle IMO and to be honest I have never ever seen or fell foul of a "short stroke"! I have seen many an auto break down or fail to function perfectly. Usually to over oiling and a lack of cleaning. The Winchester pumps you mention are very quick to cycle and that dealer guy is talking dodo! U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 go for the semi escort, you wont regret it! shoot it, clean it and you will have no probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefy Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 go for the semi escort, you wont regret it! shoot it, clean it and you will have no probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 go for the semi escort, you wont regret it! shoot it, clean it and you will have no probs. Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) i dunno, i've seen a fair few escorts fail, one i've seen the barrel split near the ring, the poor guy had only put a few rounds through it. Edited January 30, 2013 by Paddy Galore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Go for the SXP there more fun to shoot and satisfying , but I also like semi autos as well , get a pump and give it a good bashing at the fields and clays , if it's not for you trade it in if possible and get a semi auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Iv got a mossy500 pump an a escort semi out of the two I much prefere to shoot the escort but would rather clean the pump , Atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Pumps are OK if you're too tight to buy a reliable auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 QUESTION; If the auto was the first ever shotgun to be invented, would they then go on to make any of the others SBS, O/U or pump....you decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimLondon Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 i dunno, i've seen a fair few escorts fail, one i've seen the barrel split near the ring, the poor guy had only put a few rounds through it. A barrel splitting after only a few rounds? Some serious questions for the proof house one thinks!!! Either that or using carts to heavy for design Semis failing is normally down to user not cleaning it properly and or not running it wet ie well oiled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escortmagnum999 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 iv got both, they both have there uses. If im expecting to shoot alot of shells, i take the auto, if im going for a wander or lamping on the bike il take the pump. I'll add that iv never had many problems with either gun. See if you can have a go with both guns and decide from there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoz82 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Pumps are OK if you're too tight to buy a reliable auto There is no such thing as reliable auto, they all jam at some point, get a pump, don't need to clean to operate, will cycle any shell, and can be quicker to cycle than an auto with practise, I have a benelli supernova for mainly fowling but also use it for pigeons and clays, it's a pleasure to use !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 winchester sxp on clays is good, very good! I'm faster with it than my mate is with his semi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I would say buy an auto until I saw this above "winchester sxp" I had one......What a gun, you seem to attack every shot with them I need a winchester sxp now thanks to reading this DOH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I need another one too! Don't worry you're not the only one with sellers remorse :( Replaced it with a Benelli and although the SXP was poorer quality build wise the fun you can have with it is far superior! Just need to wait until they bring the 3.5" version out here and then trade the Benelli for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I've got an old mossy 500 and love it, its the ak47 of the shotgun world, it never misses a beat no matter what you throw at it or how you treat it... I use it for everything. Since getting it and letting a few mates have a go on the clays etc... guess what?... they are now getting pumps too I find pumps more involving, more fun to use and after a while the pumping action becomes totally natural and very fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 I only shoot pump- and lever-action shotguns. They're great fun. Short-stroking won't be a problem if you use it enough. I would advise you to get an older Remington 870 Wingmaster. They're not expensive second-hand and are as smooth as a very smooth thing. My favourite would be an Ithaca M37 but you're not likely to come across one of those. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd 1 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 thanks for all the replies guys, i've been thinking really hard about it but am still sightly unsure i'm going the the shooting show in a few weeks so ill have to have a look there at everything.the sxp does seen like the way to go i work at a clay ground as a ref and in all my time have only ever seen 1 pump action.it makes you wonder where they all are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Can i ask what type of gun you are used to? My reasoning is that as I am used to modern o/us and semi autos, I would inevitablly forget to "pump". If it is an older double trigger you are used to or it is a first gun it will probably be less of an issue. Both types of gun will have pros and cons. Personal preference and ability to subconciously pump between shots would be the deciders for me. Price shouldnt be an issue. For your budget you could pick up a used 2 3/4" chambered Beretta 301/2/3. Brilliant guns. Look for mike ***********s opinons on them online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Not for the world can i understand the fascination with a pump action! But then i am a lazy brute lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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