fennman2 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Hi Lads, Does anyone out there know where I could get some 12 bore brass 'perfect' type casses to fit my chamberless gun. I am looking for a length of 3 1/2" to 4" Heare's Hoping. fennman2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 The only place I can think to suggest is Henry Krank (maybe) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Kynoch Ammunition possibly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Try Alan Myers would make them to your spec dont know if he still makes them Dipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fennman2 Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Did try Henry Krank today but he could not help thanks anyway Vince. Thanks for the thought matone, but I think kynoch stopped production when they were taken over by ICI sometime after the end of the 1914- 1918 war. Have recently tried Alan Myers last week, he does have 12 bore brass case's in stock but they are only 2 3/4". He did say he could turn some up for me from solid brass blanks, but the price makes it a no no about £15 each.Cheers anyway Dipper. For those reloaders looking for brass case's Alan Myers has a good selection 16-12-10-8 and I think 4 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 (edited) Kynoch are still very much in business ! Google them ! They specialise in the production of obsolete rifle cases and ammo. It was just an outside chance suggestion tho` Edited February 13, 2013 by matone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOLLSEYES Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) Hi Fenman, Do you have any recipe's for 27/8 brass cases?I got mine through rockymountain cartridge in the U.S, but they don't send to this country so you need to know someone in the U.S to get them sent to and they send them to you.Heres the link http://www.rockymoun...Kits Prices.pdf Edited February 13, 2013 by DOLLSEYES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fennman2 Posted February 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Hi Matone, I did google kynoch today, you are right, they are still in buisness, but now trade under the name of Kynamco LTD. I then phoned them and they told me they no longer do shotgun cart;s they only do riffle ammo, most of it big bore stuff so if you have a 600 nitro express look no further, mind you I think you would be a bit over gunned for pigeon ha ha.No seriously it was worth a try.Cheers Matone Hi Dollseyes, You didn't say what you were intending to load lead, bismuth,steel or what. My chamberless gun I have owned for over 40 years, makes me feel old, in those days I was loading, If I remember right,between 38 and 42 grains of Nobel number 2 pushing 1 1/2-1 3/4 and 2 oz of lead. Nobel no 2 was later replaced by Nobel 82.I then switched to a french powder called ' Powder T'.It was a bit slower burning than 82, it was good for big loads, quite soft really,the second shot was always on, those loads were certainly not what we used to call earthquake machines.The trouble is none of these powders are now available and i havn't loaded brass cases for close on 20 years.I am saying this just to explain that, that's how things used to be, for the future, I hope to be loading steel,that's why I am looking for 3 1/2" cases as steel has a bigger volume for the same weight as lead.I like you, will then be looking for loading info as loading steel is a totally different ball game, faster powder and special steel shot wads.and compatible primers. All i can advise for you is firstly,is your gun chamberless, if it is and you are using thin brass cases you can go up the next size in bore for wads ie- 12 bore brass 10 bore wads.If it is not chamberless do not I repeat,do not use 10 bore wads, you will have to use conventional 12 bore. I'm a bit out of touch at the moment, but i would of thought any book on reloading would be suitable for lead, for bismuth you could go 1 or 2 grains extra, bismuth being lighter than lead for any given volume.In my day the reloaders bible was Cartridge loading by David Garard.not sure if it is still in print. hope this is of some use to you. Regards Fennman2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 fenny there's some guys in the states using reworked 50 cal case in thier long range 12g slug guns ! have a google you may find some info DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Hi Lads, Does anyone out there know where I could get some 12 bore brass 'perfect' type casses to fit my chamberless gun. I am looking for a length of 3 1/2" to 4" Heare's Hoping. fennman2 you will have to have a cast done of the chamber for any to be made to fit your gun, i know a chap who can do them in brass perfects pm me if you are interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fennman2 Posted February 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Hi DD That 50 cal stuff looks awesome Cheers Fennman2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) OK, >>>>>>>>>>>> Follow this LINK:>>>>> >>>: http://www.practical...71/index13.html Double CLICK LINK ABOVE: Edited February 18, 2013 by subsonicnat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Hi. Chamberless/Brass case guns usually have a lot (LOT!) of choke. So I would be wary of trying to put steel through this classic gun. Hope this is not too late to avert possible disaster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saddler Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Er. CBC Magtrch brass cases are about $25 (or less) for 25, in the USA. UK prices vary. Tend to be around £25 for a box of 25. Gave up trying Pete Lawman after YEARS of trying to buy from him, so bought mine mail order from the US I heard rumours of a Kent RFD that has lots of these CBC cases in all flavours. Waiting for updates. Got the RCBS dedicated 12-ga brass shotshell dies. (MAY have a spare mint set, waiting to see if the bloke that wanted them still does) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Clay&Game do 12g Magtech brass cases but only 2 1/2 inch. Link below. http://www.claygame.co.uk/magtech-brass-cases-pd304 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 David Garrard wrote a article in shooting times years ago. He used active cases and plastic wads with a deep over powder section .He produced some good loads.Read something in a American mag about a guy called Stan Baker who Bored barrels out to 800 which is a chamberless gun. He got good results with trap cartridges.That would be a cheap way loading for a chamberless gun.Dipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Could you get the magtechs and cut some to produce extra tube to braze on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 As I understand it, modern cartridges work O.K. in chamberless barrels. Plastic wads after all give satisfactory obturation if you fire 12 bore cartridges in 10 such as an AYA (it can be done). However anyone wanting to obtain brass cases for a big 12 or larger should speak to Graham Deakin, Midlocharwoods, Ruthwell, Dumfries. GD is an engineer and wildfowler who makes custom cases and also supplies felt and card wads in many different sizes such as for Ralph Grant "8-bores". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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