mick miller Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Scotland got it right, non toxic over /near wetlands, england made a hash of things, you can shoot a pheasant over a pond and drop lead in the pond, but cant shoot a duck over stubbles, unless you use non toxic, Wow. That's a monumentally farcical bit of legislation. Surely it should be nontoxic any where near water regardless of quarry? Edited March 11, 2013 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Why do so many no longer have any respect for their quarry species. Its just about nesting time and all some can think about is slaughtering the geese. I do not shoot pigeons on any of my farms after mid April and localy I do not know anyone who does. Or are some of you happy to think of youngsters dieing in the nest . There is never any need to kill canada geese out side of the normal shooting season. If they are causing a problem a few rocket bird scarers will do the trick very quickly. Geese hate them and it usualy takes weeks before they return , if they ever do. Too many people on here seem to want to shoot canadas just because they can . To see a thousand canadas comming out of the dawn mist on a September morning is a magical sight and makes the blood tingle when you are flighting on the marsh , but alas a sight we are likely to lose if some people on here have their way. If they are realy causing a problem then rocket them off the crops and save the shooting until the right time of year. There is nothing daft about the ban in using lead to shoot wildfowl over fields. Unless caught in the act of shooting how else is the law going to know where the birds were shot. It would all too easy for someone to shoot geese on the marsh and then if they were later found to have used lead they could then claim they were shot over fields. If I said to a farmer, hi, can i have permission to shoot rabbits and pigeons please, but only when they arent breeding, I would have NO shooting permission. I would also very very rarely go shooting. They breed all year for a start, secondly, the farmer who lets me shoot doesnt care if they are breeding, and if I cant provide what he looks for in a shooter, he wont let me shoot, but let one oof the many others asking get on instead. Same for the geese. I have been given a permission rich with wildfowl, asked to thin out the canadas. If i want to be able to shoot some duck and other geese come season, i have to do what he wants now. Also, if they are nesting, and your letting off rocket bangers to move them, so they dont come back for weeks, then surely that will move them off their nest just as much as shooting them? Also, if a couple of bangers will scare them off for weeks, then surely shooting one or two would stop the others coming back for weeks too? Canada Geese always evoke opposing views. Wildfowlers..... don't ever shoot out of season or more than you need, etc. Pest Control.....take whatever you can, whenever you can to solve the problem. "Sport Shooter/Opportunist"....... am I allowed to shoot Canada Geese? These views will NEVER come together! Edited March 11, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) If I said to a farmer, hi, can i have permission to shoot rabbits and pigeons please, but only when they arent breeding, I would have NO shooting permission. I would also very very rarely go shooting. They breed all year for a start, secondly, the farmer who lets me shoot doesnt care if they are breeding, and if I cant provide what he looks for in a shooter, he wont let me shoot, but let one oof the many others asking get on instead. Same for the geese. I have been given a permission rich with wildfowl, asked to thin out the canadas. If i want to be able to shoot some duck and other geese come season, i have to do what he wants now. Also, if they are nesting, and your letting off rocket bangers to move them, so they dont come back for weeks, then surely that will move them off their nest just as much as shooting them? Also, if a couple of bangers will scare them off for weeks, then surely shooting one or two would stop the others coming back for weeks too? I agree whole heartedly, but as your finding out some on here have double standards, the wildfowl season has just ended, numbers were quite obviously not reduced enough by those who hold wildfowling so close to their heart, the canada are on the GL and are an invasive species which can cause big problems for farmers, especially at this time of year and I'd imagine even more so this year as so many fields are still unsown with the wet weather and a good food source is scarce so some crops and fields will get a hammering so do whats right by the farmer and get on with the shotgun. or wait until they moult and are unable to fly then hit the lot with the rifle? (see shooting a couple with a shotgun really is not that bad advice ) Edited March 11, 2013 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 i've seen on numerous occasions members of the forum asking ie; can i shoot canadas?,can i shoot them with this or that?,obviously they have made no attempt to shoot them during the wildfowling season,it's always after the season has just finished that they decide they want to shot canadas, and it's not double standards it's respect for your quarry and difference of opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) What most farmers want is rid of their geese. They do not care if its done with rockets of if they are shot. Has anyone made any effort to scare the geese away ? What most people who want to shoot geese while they are breeding is just to kill something. Pheasants can cause a lot of dammage to sprouting crops too , but would you shoot them at this time of year? I guess its a case of moral standards. Edited March 11, 2013 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I was lucky enough to shoot a Canada goose in open season last year...learned my lesson....never shoot more than one...lol...they are bloody heavy to carry around.....but bloody nice to eat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 What most farmers want is rid of their geese. They do not care if its done with rockets of if they are shot. What most people who want to shoot geese while they are breeding is just to kill something. Pheasants can cause a lot of dammage to crops too , but would you shoot them at this time of year? I guess its a case of moral standards. Some on here are killers while others sportsmen. thats it exactly. they just want someone there to either scare them or to shoot them, but i`m confident that no-one is going to stand and flap about in a farmers field just to scare them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 There is never any need to kill canada geese out side of the normal shooting season. If they are causing a problem a few rocket bird scarers will do the trick very quickly. Geese hate them and it usualy takes weeks before they return , if they ever do. Too many people on here seem to want to shoot canadas just because they can . To see a thousand canadas comming out of the dawn mist on a September morning is a magical sight and makes the blood tingle when you are flighting on the marsh , but alas a sight we are likely to lose if some people on here have their way. Perhaps it's time you looked at the "problem" with your non twitcher glasses on. Natural England, quite rightly, took advice from both sides of the fence and acknowledged that Canada Geese cause enough problems for them to be added to the GL. For once please look at it from the farmers' point of view and appreciate how you would feel if the thousands of magical Canadas you describe were decimating your livelihood. Scaring alone does not work, it must be backed up with shooting. As you well know, best practice advice is for them to be rounded up during their flightless stage and killed. Such a method ensures the greatest number can be killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 What most farmers want is rid of their geese. They do not care if its done with rockets of if they are shot. Has anyone made any effort to scare the geese away ? What most people who want to shoot geese while they are breeding is just to kill something. Pheasants can cause a lot of dammage to sprouting crops too , but would you shoot them at this time of year? I guess its a case of moral standards. Pheasants are out of season, canadas arent. The permission owner has asked me to shoot canadas, none have asked me to shoot pheasants. I have seen the damage and mess 100 canadas make, Ive never see 100 pheasant on any of my fields. i've seen on numerous occasions members of the forum asking ie; can i shoot canadas?,can i shoot them with this or that?,obviously they have made no attempt to shoot them during the wildfowling season,it's always after the season has just finished that they decide they want to shot canadas, and it's not double standards it's respect for your quarry and difference of opinions So shooting a pigeon that may have young is fine, but not a goose? Why, because they are bigger? Deemed 'nicer'? What about when people shoot pregnant rabbits? Rabbits and pigeons breed all year, so we should never shoot them right? I only started shooting them after the season for the OTHER wildfowl finished, as thats when i picked up the permission where the owner wants me to. I have no less respect for the canadas than i do for pigeons or rabbits or pheasant or partridge or duck. I respect all laws while shooting, and try and ensure a quick end for all of them. I will go for males where possible. I also eat everything i shoot (excluding corvids, foxes and squirrels). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 touch paper lit now stand back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I was lucky enough to shoot a Canada goose in open season last year...learned my lesson....never shoot more than one...lol...they are bloody heavy to carry around.....but bloody nice to eat Canada geese have an all year round open season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Canada geese have an all year round open season. I know that they are on the pest list and can be shot after other means to move them off as failed....I was just pointing out the time that I shot it. Edited March 11, 2013 by Highbird70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Used to see loads around here a few years ago bu lucky to see half a dozen now just loads of greylags reservoir at the back of my house has loads on, a couple of years ago they grew lettuce near the reservoir and the greylags decemated them they are the problem now here not canadas. I think if your asked to shoot them you gotta do what you gotta do but i suspect there's a lot of people out there that will have a pot shot at canadas even if they are not doing damage to crops just because they think they can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I know that they are on the pest list and can be shot after other means to move them off as failed. you don't even need to try and scare them, they are on schedule b on the license so just crack on http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl04_tcm6-24149.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 you don't even need to try and scare them, they are on schedule b on the license so just crack on http://www.naturalen..._tcm6-24149.pdf Hi Al4x, It might sound weird...but 2 reason for me not to shoot no more than 1, weight to carry and I can only eat one at the time, hence I would try to shoot one and hopefully scare the others off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 which is part of the problem, unlike pigeons just 1 or 2 is enough for most wildfowlers and then they have had enough, is doesn't make a dent in the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 Pheasants are out of season, canadas arent. The permission owner has asked me to shoot canadas, none have asked me to shoot pheasants. I have seen the damage and mess 100 canadas make, Ive never see 100 pheasant on any of my fields. So shooting a pigeon that may have young is fine, but not a goose? Why, because they are bigger? Deemed 'nicer'? What about when people shoot pregnant rabbits? Rabbits and pigeons breed all year, so we should never shoot them right? I only started shooting them after the season for the OTHER wildfowl finished, as thats when i picked up the permission where the owner wants me to. I have no less respect for the canadas than i do for pigeons or rabbits or pheasant or partridge or duck. I respect all laws while shooting, and try and ensure a quick end for all of them. I will go for males where possible. I also eat everything i shoot (excluding corvids, foxes and squirrels). like i said difference of opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 which is part of the problem, unlike pigeons just 1 or 2 is enough for most wildfowlers and then they have had enough, is doesn't make a dent in the problem Which comes back to the issue of it being pest control. I am a 'fowler and on the marsh wouldn't shoot more than a couple for several reasons, all of which previously mentioned. However, if I was on a permission and asked to get rid of as many as possible due to the damage they're doing, that's exactly what I'd do. Cull as many as I could until the moved on and try and make sure none of them were wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think that is the best way to look at it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning GTS Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 No need to stop shooting pigeons at any time. I have shot young pigeon at all times of year the last couple was in February. The trouble is with leaving them in the spring is when they are doing a lot of damage, after all it is why we get permission to shoot over farmland. As for the geese if they are causing problems over inland water, damage to crops or disease risks for livestock then you can shoot them all year. But not for food as in the season i would suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royboy Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I always see pigeons at it all year round these days. Randy beggers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 ....but bloody nice to eat Ah! You've discovered the trick with the brick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highbird70 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Ah! You've discovered the trick with the brick. LOL...yup and yummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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