who would seriously like to leave the u.k?

[THE AD]

Ill be gone on Saturday morning after i win the euro lottery tomorrow

[bullet boy]

Yes please.

Want to go to the land that I love-The Land of the Long White Cloud,New Zealand.

[Wildfowler]

I'm really suprised that no one has mentioned the Scandinavian countries!

I've traveled all over the world for work and for all of the amazing places I've been, only Scandinavia holds any reall attraction as a country of residence.

Whilst America is amazing there is no safety net and with young kids that is a serious consideration, almost all of EU is in a similar position to the uk and the middle and Far East are just too hot!

My wife and I looked very seriously about moving to Norway last year as I was offered a job of there. Great health care and education systems, good pensions, great lifestyle, pro hunting shooting fishing mentality and great wages. The cost of living is astronomical but if you are prepared to work you can live a very nice life there! Oh and you can fly back to the uk in a couple of hours and it costs less than £20!

Shame my mrs isn't too keen on leaving her famy behind! :(

[Thunderbird]

Yeah but in Scandinavia doesn't beer cost about a tenner a pint??

[unapalomablanca]

I'm really suprised that no one has mentioned the Scandinavian countries!

I've traveled all over the world for work and for all of the amazing places I've been, only Scandinavia holds any reall attraction as a country of residence.

Whilst America is amazing there is no safety net and with young kids that is a serious consideration, almost all of EU is in a similar position to the uk and the middle and Far East are just too hot!

My wife and I looked very seriously about moving to Norway last year as I was offered a job of there. Great health care and education systems, good pensions, great lifestyle, pro hunting shooting fishing mentality and great wages. The cost of living is astronomical but if you are prepared to work you can live a very nice life there! Oh and you can fly back to the uk in a couple of hours and it costs less than £20!

Shame my mrs isn't too keen on leaving her famy behind! :(

To me, a large part of leaving would be climate. There is no way i would go to scandinavia, plus it's even more lefty'socialist than this cess pit.

[jasper3]

But France has mind numbing bureaucracy, variably friendly locals, too many tourists and traffic jams in Summer maybe? Plus it's not that cheap any more.

 

I can honestly say that we never found a problem with any thing over there..apart from my ability to speak french... getting planing permission was simple, as was getting the water and electric on...

i think we have just as much here ..as for prices, its swings and roundabouts.. building materials were a lot cheaper over there..white goods where expensive..it all depends on the exchange rate at the time of buying

[Wildfowler]

I suppose its what you like... I don't drink much so the cost of beer isn't an issue a d I like the climate in Scandinavia. They have warm / hot summers and propper winters. Agreed they are more socialist than many other places (which isn't nesicarrily in line with my personal views) but they don't just hand it out to anyone and at least when you need the support or become an OAP you do actually benefit from what you've paid into the system, not like here!

[Norrie]

We thought about moving to California in 1990, kids were young, and so was I... BUT, the wife wouldnt leave her mum, sisters etc etc..I had all that was needed too, family in San Diego, they were going to give us a place to live till we got ourselves sorted, a job was no problem..they ( at the time) were crying out for HGV drivers, and I was sorted there as well. Green card was to be arranged through a new employer, and wasnt a problem...but, we are still here in sunny Scotland ... :(

 

BUT, now my daughter and her hubby have moved to Florida with his job in the RAF, they are there for 18 months, a year to go...then it's off to Edwards AFB for them, for up to 10 years if they wish., which they do...he will retire from the RAF after 22 years, then transfer to the USAF...and will live permanently in S.Cal...so...looking good for us to retire out there in 7-8 years... I've already bagged the garage..

 

I've also done a fair bit shooting out there ( we visit every year) in the desert, on friends land...and in a deserted farm he owns too......thoroughly enjoyed myself...not shot too much...Gopher things is about all, and rats...Crows etc ... But, once we do get out there,,...it'll all be explored properly...

 

This is the range I shoot on when I'm over...a fantastic place to visit, and sooooo many guns too...I'm now a life member..

 

http://www.p2krange.com/

 

What is there to NOT like about Ca...??....have a look at the .243 ammo prices...

 

http://www.discountgunmart.com/category/ammo.ammo_centerfire_rifle.243_winchester/

Edited March 28, 2013 by Norrie

[unapalomablanca]

Does anyone remember an article in the press a couple of years ago, about gary numan wanting to get out of england and go to santa monica as he was sick of the yobbery in the u.k? His wife was nastily accosted in a shop, in front of his children and he said enough was enough. I dont know if he went through with it, but even wealthy people cant avoid this behaviourial decline.

Edited March 28, 2013 by unapalomablanca

[Paddy Galore!]

we can claim dual residency with new zealand as the wife is half kiwi, i've also got quite a few aunts, uncles and cousins in canada, i don't know if that makes any difference but at least we'll have somewhere to stay and work when allowed.

i know this is an insensitive thing to say but as soon as my father passes away we'll be off.

Edited March 28, 2013 by Paddy Galore!

[scolopax]

Would not move if I could, and I could, but I love it here!

 

I work in Norway and pay all my taxes etc there, nothing to stop me taking up residency if I wanted to, but I prefer to spend my playtime back in Blighty.

[Malik]

This seems to be a universal problem with immigrants, they arrive in a new place and immediately start trying to make it more like the place they left.

That explains all the irish bars/pubs across america then! You could say what you have just said, about all origins throughout history.

 

 

Majority of the places that have been mentioned in this topic are all "new world" countries i.e U.S, Canada. Australia and New Zealand.

 

Immigration is what founded them. Especially in America! The american dream.

Edited March 29, 2013 by Malik

[Albert 888]

Well I moved from Lancashire to North Wales, the best thing I ever did. Does that count. I love living in the uk,dont even realy get the urge to leave to go on holiday abroad. I supose I have found what everyone is looking for abroad in the uk. If you want to move away just do it and stop talking about. Good luck and hope you find what your looking for.

[SneakyD]

You could say what you have just said, about all origins throughout history.

 

I could indeed. In fact by saying that it was a universal problem that's exactly what I was saying.

 

As to your 'new world' point, I'm not sure that the North American Indian, the Australian Aborigine and the New Zealand Maori would agree that foreigners coming and replacing them and their cultures was such a great thing.

[Gimlet]

I could indeed. In fact by saying that it was a universal problem that's exactly what I was saying.

 

As to your 'new world' point, I'm not sure that the North American Indian, the Australian Aborigine and the New Zealand Maori would agree that foreigners coming and replacing them and their cultures was such a great thing.

 

Exactly.

The colonisation the new world by a handful of Imperial Europeans which displaced native peoples and destroyed so much of their culture has been almost universally acknowledged as a great tragedy of human history, and there is no shortage of people ready to apologise for it. When Europe invades Britain to destroy our culture and dissolve our nationhood so we may be absorbed into an imperial superstate we are supposed to celebrate diversity or be condemned as rascists. Why the double standards?

The chance migration of individuals around the world is one thing, implanting vast numbers of people en masse for political reasons is quite another and is no different from old discredited colonialism.

[Footu]

I emigrated from England Three years ago. It snows more here, but the mountains are beautiful and the dog loves it- made sure she came with me. It took the wife around a year to settle with the promise that we could always go back for holidays or long weekends it didn't seem too bad.

 

I wouldn't go back to England again full time I say get out while you can. And we did it so you can too.

 

 

Wales isn't that bad!

[jasper3]

many years ago in a french port, I was approached by an english guy,

he asked me if i had been working over there, (I was in my work van)

he told me he had just bought a house in a small hamlet..7 houses..5 were owned by the english ... he then told me how he hated seeing England being taken over by immigrants... he also told me that the hamlet was trying to get permission to start a cricket team and obtain a pitch

 

I looked at him in disbeliefe

I think thats one conversation i will never forget

maybe he thought we still owned northern france and henry the 8th was still at the realm

[Vince Green]

Having lived for a while in West Africa about thirty years ago and witnesses at first hand that most bizzarre of creatures, the British Colonial Ex-Pat nothing would suprise me.

[castletyne]

many years ago in a french port, I was approached by an english guy,

he asked me if i had been working over there, (I was in my work van)

he told me he had just bought a house in a small hamlet..7 houses..5 were owned by the english ... he then told me how he hated seeing England being taken over by immigrants... he also told me that the hamlet was trying to get permission to start a cricket team and obtain a pitch

 

I looked at him in disbeliefe

I think thats one conversation i will never forget

maybe he thought we still owned northern france and henry the 8th was still at the realm

 

I think what most people hate about immigration in this country is immagrants with a total diiferent way of life to us

 

Europeans will come here and their kids will just become British but say a Muslim comes here 4 gererations down the line they will still dress in clothes from the homeland still talk in naitive tongue and refuse to intergrate into British way of life

[Fagus Sylvatica]

Emmigrating as a married couple to the new world is always risky. People need to understand the dictinction between residency and citizenship. Residencey in most countries (except the UK) merely entitles you to stay without a specific visa until the authorities say otherwise. Aquiring full citizenship can be extremely difficult though it is usually granted to children born in their new country. Situations arise all the time where children can stay but parents who divorce, lose their employment or become ill have to leave. The difference between residency and citizenship is a bit like the difference between living in a rented house and living in your own property with the mortgage paid off, and the process of getting full citizenship can involve a similar timescale.

People move wife and kids to Canada, NZ, Aus, the US etc and think thats it. It isn't. The rug can be pulled at any time. The only way to get round this in most cases is either to be extremely rich and pay lots of tax or to emmigrate as a single person and marry a local, but for obvious reasons your marriage will be under intense scrutiny for many years, and if you divorce you can be back to square one. If you commit a crime or if you become ill without having lived in the country and paid into its social security system for long enough even your marriage may not save you.

Not enough people fully understand their legal status when they emmigrate. And in Aus, and the US, don't know about Canada and NZ, that can vary state to state. All of these countries are getting tougher all the time as the world population accelerates further out of control.

If you really want to emmigrate with confidence, do it when you're 18 and do it forever.

Nail on the head. I have been in Indonesia for over 20 years - arrived when I was 23.

Despite marrying a local girl, I am only entitled to stay provided I have employment here. This coupled with the fact that there is no health, social security safety net of any variety means you're very much on your own and need to make your own arrangements for contingencies.

I notice no posters, but one, have mentioned moving to Asia. You're sporting aspirations might be curtailed, but economically it's booming and well worth a look.

Despite the subdued coal price, the mining sector, in which I work, is likely to continue to boom - at least in Indonesia, and jobs for expats with relevent experience / qualifications plentiful.

Most of the Antipodeans working on contract here work a four week on, two week off roster, and love it.

There are other destinations than the the anglo Saxon, English speaking countries to consider, if you're thinking about a move. I have no regrets.

[shaun4860]

Would love to have the money to visit Canada/USA/NZ

 

But I, like a few on here love living in this country.

 

Its not perfect, but where is.....

 

I think a lot of people suffer from "the grass is greener" syndrome

 

I watch a fair few of those "wanted down under/anywhere" things and every now and again they show a "what happened next" ones....

 

Afair few people come back for various reason, including wasnt what we thought it was/cost of living/family

 

We are a strange breed of people....

 

[UKPoacher]

 

sandspider, on 28 Mar 2013 - 13:26, said:

But France has mind numbing bureaucracy, variably friendly locals, too many tourists and traffic jams in Summer maybe? Plus it's not that cheap any more.

 

Traffic jams, too many tourists? I take it you are talking about Eurocamp?

 

Where I live I might see or pass one car in 10 kilometres and the natives are very friendly. Bureaucracy seems to be difficult to grasp, but only if you don't understand French.

 

I agree with Jasper; if you integrate and avoid the 'English ghettos' you are far more likely to the welcomed.

[sandspider]

OK, true - not all of France is like that. But the nice parts to live tend to be popular with tourists too...

 

Your area sounds nice. Are you anywhere near a coast? Would be nice to have access to the sea as well as countryside... If you've got good cheese and wine and little cafes too I might come and stay!

[OCD]

Seems so strange to me that people moan about immigration yet would happpily be an immigrant, I wonder how the other countries veiw the british immigrants

[Vince Green]

Nobody has mentioned Northern Europe, there are some beautiful cities, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Bruges, Antwerp etc and very easy to drive to or accessable easily by train. For some reason that I have never understood the property prices / rents are much better than they are here. Food is more expensive, but generally really top quality and fresh. Clothing etc is also more expensive but they wear good clothes, you don't see trackies unless they are going for a jog.

 

As for shooting, you would think you had died and gone to heaven