maxie Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 You definately had to pay to go to the major museums in the Thatcher era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 The first point i looked at was no.40. What nonsense, i just went to 6 museums in london and they were so great they dont even charge you. They certainly ddent look impoverished to me. the lottery fund has a great deal to do with that una. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 You definately had to pay to go to the major museums in the Thatcher era. no wrong. science, natural history etc always free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 1- good thing 2- Unions did this with restrictive work practices 5- Surely freedom to expand business is a good thing 11- Scargill did that by bottling a national vote 13- they were unsustainable, if they were so bad why didnt Blair rescind this? 16- Blair did the same with Bush, taking us into an illegal war 24- John Major increased it to 17.5% 26- Look what Blair has done since retiring as PM 30- Brought top rate income tax down from 98% to 60% and still further 31- BSE started in the 60's 32- how many did Labour lose under Blair/Brown You can make statistics say whatever you want...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) I find it sad that people celebrate Thatchers "Taking on the unions". Do they realize that unions were formed by the workers for the benefit of the workers ? Working class people who fell for this Tory con are either the saddest victims of media brainwashing, or the jealous types who didn't have the guts to join a union and resented the pay and conditions of those who did. Originally they were but not during thatchers era. Red Robbo, Scargill and minor idiots like Derek Hatton all sought to serve their own ends at the "working mans" expense Sorry, just noticed this has been posted(except for the mention of the loathsome hatton) elsewhere yesterday Edited April 9, 2013 by spanj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 the lottery fund has a great deal to do with that una. In his anti maggie list, he cited her supporting the retention of capital punishment. Dont he know thats what the public want. Also abolishing free milk, yeh it was right, its your mum and dads job to give you milk not the bleedin state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 She did all those things single handed? wow what a woman. No advisors, cabinet or support. Sounds as if she wasnt voted in. Three times. Champagne socialism. Happy to earn well but every £ creates a whinge about this country. Gatwick, Heathrow, Stanstead, Dover etc. All exits if you want them KW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 no wrong. science, natural history etc always free. Have a look at the B.B.C website all national museums had entrance charges introduced by Maggie Thatcher.I know I paid enough of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imissalot Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 All the hatred you can say wot you want ,end of the day she won every time her back was against the wall ,I for one will shed a tear for her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Kdubya for PM I say, Or maybe NOT. We all have our views - forcing others to think your way is why communism no longer exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unapalomablanca Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Have a look at the B.B.C website all national museums had entrance charges introduced by Maggie Thatcher.I know I paid enough of them. ok. buts whats so bad about paying anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Unfortunately some "leaders" in the recent past have led us into an illegal war knowing that the reasons given for said war were lies!! Dear old Tony B liar, how the hell did he manage to crawl out from under those war crimes charges?? and into a middle east peace envoys job.......... oh, the irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 people are calling maggie a great leader as she won 3 terms but so did blair 4 if you count in gormless so is blair a great leader too? I think not in fact he did just a bit less damage than maggie KW Your vitriol is misplaced and out of touch with the majority of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 ok. buts whats so bad about paying anyway. There is nothing wrong with paying,if you can afford it, but there are some people who can`t.Since 20001 national museums are free as they should be,just like libraries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) so after hundreds of replies saying she was the best pm we have ever had, and she did this and that for us when she was in power, this post just about sums up what she did for us , a true reflection I would say Not sure I can be bothered typing replies to most of the fiction but some of the salient points are below. Mandela-She did indeed call him a grubby terrorist, and described the ANC as a terrorist group but also refused to agree sanctions with SA as that would punish the poor. She was against apartheid from the moment she came to power. She also petitioned the SA leaders about the unfairness of that policy- Selective quoting to justify a point. I am surprised no one has quoted the "There is no such thing as society "comment. Interest rates had to go up to curb the runaway inflation that Labour had created by bending to the unions. Expensive foreign coal- don't think so. If it was cheaper to mine here, we would. We poured billions in subsidies into the coal industry, which new labour did with renewables. It's subsidies are what is putting energy prices up, not coal. The job losses were part of taking a bloated public sector of nationalised industries and making them efficient again. Reunification- her concern was based around the fact that the price Germany paid for reunification was adoption of the Euro and look where that has left us- Boy was she right. New labour got in bed with the banks and were happy with the profits coming in. Aitkin, Parkinson, Archer?- Mandleson x 3, Fatty two jags.... Keith Vaz?... Need I go on? Inflation at 21%- No surprise after the hash Labour had made. Nuclear weapons on our soil?- damn right, it helped bring about the end of the cold war. ERM?- yes that was a mistake but nowhere near as big as Gormless selling off the gold at it's lowest price. I really cannot be bothered going on, losing the will to live but three points. Maggie has been out for many years, nobody has changed anything she did so can it be all that bad. She wanted to make Britain great again after the unions and labour had nearly killed us- is that so bad What else could we have done. All those that criticise her- tell us how you would have done things.. There is nothing wrong with paying,if you can afford it, but there are some people who can`t.Since 20001 national museums are free as they should be,just like libraries. So where does all the money come from to subsidise all these museums? Edited April 9, 2013 by keg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 and into a middle east peace envoys job.......... oh, the irony Pee Em Ess Ell. :) Got to admit there is a certain irony to it, also to the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the current lie bore crew slating the government for making such a bad job of the countries finances. Conveniently forgetting who overspent to get us into the mess we now face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I would also add that it was MT who argued for the release of Nelson Mandela by using the credibility she established with the then SA regime by opposning sanctions. Check your facts it was MThatcher who played perhaps the most substantial role in delivering an apartheid - free South Africa. She believed the poor would suffer but the end game was the release of Mr Mandela, who always paid her respects and sent her personal letters. Listen to the memoires of the then Ambassador to SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Not sure I can be bothered typing replies to most of the fiction but some of the salient points are below. Mandela-She did indeed call him a grubby terrorist, and described the ANC as a terrorist group but also refused to agree sanctions with SA as that would punish the poor. She was against apartheid from the moment she came to power. She also petitioned the SA leaders about the unfairness of that policy- Selective quoting to justify a point. I am surprised no one has quoted the "There is no such thing as society "comment. Interest rates had to go up to curb the runaway inflation that Labour had created by bending to the unions. Expensive foreign coal- don't think so. If it was cheaper to mine here, we would. We poured billions in subsidies into the coal industry The job losses were part of taking a bloated public sector of nationalised industries and making them efficient again. Aitkin, Parkinson, Archer?- Mandleson x 3, Fatty two jags.... Keith Vaz?... Need I go on? Inflation at 21%- No surprise after the hash Labour had made. Nuclear weapons on our soil?- damn right, it helped bring about the end of the cold war. ERM?- yes that was a mistake but nowhere near as big as Gormless selling off the gold at it's lowest price. I really cannot be bothered going on.. So where does all the money come from to subsidise all these museums? From the taxpayer as happens at the moment.Or do you only want people who can afford it to benefit from museums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 no wrong. science, natural history etc always free. No they weren't, I remember paying to go to the Natural History Museum when I was younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushkin Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Kdubya - why hang back there mate? Why not just say you couldn't stand her - for whatever reason? I think there is possibly another story in your vitriol - want to tell us about that? You seem to think that she - and her Government are to blame for all that is bad in Britain. Especially the opportunities that she created for many people and the different types of work that she helped generate. Yes she took on the unions - and not before time. But you cannot argue the fact that if it were not for Scargill not giving the miners the vote they were entitled to - the mines might just still be open in some places. It was he who made it all personal and it was he that took the men out thinking he was greater than the whole of the union who I think - had they been given the vote would likely have supported him - but he didn't and a lot of hard working and very passionate men suffered along with their families because of him. The man forgot himself that the whole of the union is always greater than the man at the head of it - he is only their mouthpiece. I live in a mining area and many of my friends and family were miners and I saw and felt at first hand the devastation caused; the food kitchens to help families feed and the desperation on mens faces when it got really silly - all for one man? I for one cannot sit back and just let you get on with speaking your own brand of misty eyed rhetoric about how wonderful the union etc all were - yeah guys like Red Eric who gutted the car manufactuirng industry with his great ideas to make sure men could sleep for half their shift and how dare the management wake them up? Sorry Kdubya - not this time you don't. Pushkin B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Kdubya for PM I say, Or maybe NOT. We all have our views - forcing others to think your way is why communism no longer exists. Communism and fascism... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 What got me most about Scargill was how he rattled on about democracy the used flying pickets to stop honest men working. KW, I can agree with you on some things but nothing I can find supports a lot of your figures in the points you make. Communism and fascism... Are different sides of the same circle...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 From the taxpayer as happens at the moment.Or do you only want people who can afford it to benefit from museums? No, far from it. I would like them all to be free but we have a finite pot- Hence Maggie's quote about "There is no such thing as society" How do we choose what to support and what not to. I suggest we pay when we can and those on benefits get free or reduced price access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) No, far from it. I would like them all to be free but we have a finite pot- Hence Maggie's quote about "There is no such thing as society" How do we choose what to support and what not to. I suggest we pay when we can and those on benefits get free or reduced price access. So the working man pays for the museums through his tax then has to pay to get in while the man on benefits also takes money from the tax the working man pays and also gets into the museum free?? Sounds ideal Mind you in all honesty I'd rather see my tax money going that way than subsidising illegal immigrants who come here, immediately draw benefits, then send the cash back home to their extended families. Sorry, that is going a bit off topic. Edited April 9, 2013 by old rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Utopia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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