Paul223 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 look at the British car industry, unions helped destroy that with constant strikes, ha ha, yeah the 'usual' was if the car plant was not on strike then the steel plant / parts factory / electric supplier were (yes thats right, no electric to work with, what a joke, all brought about by the unions), resulting in little production, a complete joke which open up the market place for the cheap jap car same goes for the other industries mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 It's simply a matter of respect. I'm not a fan of Blair and what he done to our country but I won't celebrate his death. Some of the comments I'm reading elsewhere are vile. You don't have to be a fan but I'm glad the thread's being kept 'clean'. Hear Hera, my view exactly. Happy to read opposing views but to see those dancing in the street on the news made my stomach turn. Had it not been for Maggie, they may not have had the freedom to do that. Sadly, the irony is they are too stupid to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I do believe it was one of Maggie's sayings.... "Socialism is wonderful but one soon runs out of other people's money to spend!" Socialism and nationalised industry can and will only ever cost money and reduce wealth, they cannot by their very definition create and increase wealth. If the now privatised industries had remained nationalised and the unions had had their way the British economy would have been sucked dry. It is funny though that the once nationalised utilities now get utterly vilified for making a profit... somehow people still feel that everything in this world should be handed to them as a right! Anyway, sorry for the slight derailment.. Once again.. R.I.P. Maggie.. I am proud to be able to say you were our country's leader during my living memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Plenty of short memories as usual, another case of an extended period of left wing destruction which dragged the country to its knees needing to be turned round when the good Lady came to the job. A small minority may not have had it as easy as they would have liked but the changes she was forced to make to stop the country going bust led to an economic recovery that allowed revenue to be raised that kept things going and for industry to escape to some extent from the communist led unions hell bent on destruction. Some of the disgusting comments doing the rounds merely serve to confirm the sort of dispicable people we have in our society!! R.I.P. Iron Lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Hear Hera, my view exactly. Happy to read opposing views but to see those dancing in the street on the news made my stomach turn. Had it not been for Maggie, they may not have had the freedom to do that. Sadly, the irony is they are too stupid to see that. not quite sure how you come to that conclusion i could be wrong but wasnt it the tories that made it illegal to have more than so many people assembled in 1 place but yes your totaly right it is wrong to celebrate peoples deaths, wonder how a blair death thread would have read, im sure nobody on pw would be celebrating or posting unpleasent remarks after all im sure we are all gentlemen . Edited April 8, 2013 by overandunder2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 not quite sure how you come to that conclusion i could be wrong but wasnt it the tories that made it illegal to have more than so many people assembled in 1 plasce but yes it is wrong to celebrate peoples deaths, wonder how a blair death thread would have read. No real comparison, Bliar is a war criminal after all. Although I despise him for the destruction of our economy I wouldn't gloat over his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I wont celebrate her death either, Its sad to see anyone go,however I feel no great loss for one who vilified hardworking men as "enemies of the state" whilst selling off electricity, water, gas and BT, and spending the money to keep people unemployed, and to what cost now? she brought about the first housing boom interest rates above 20 yes 20% you would whine at them now would you not, and remember when she came to power the UK population was just about fully employed! within no time she had 3 million on the dole and god knows how many on benefit (that you hate so much and she started it), yes she has lots to be applauded for. KW What a pile of horse!, Sorry KW but this is fiction. Would these be the same enemies that stopped other men working KW?. And where do you get 20% from?. Even that paper of evenhandedness The Guardian only shows 17%. How did Maggie bring about the housing boom?. Unemployment was at 1.4 million in 1979 when the Tories came in and rose to approx. 3 million at it's peak. The option was to keep subsidising inefficient industries that we could not afford ( hence why we were in the pooh in 1979 when the IMF said no. Should we really have thrown more money at it Only during wartime was full employment possible. Over to you KW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I find it sad that people celebrate Thatchers "Taking on the unions". Do they realize that unions were formed by the workers for the benefit of the workers ? Working class people who fell for this Tory con are either the saddest victims of media brainwashing, or the jealous types who didn't have the guts to join a union and resented the pay and conditions of those who did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 not quite sure how you come to that conclusion i could be wrong but wasnt it the tories that made it illegal to have more than so many people assembled in 1 plasce but yes it is wrong to celebrate peoples deaths, wonder how a blair death thread would have read, im sure nobody on pw would be celebrating . I came to that conclusion because she stood up to our red friends both inside and out of the country, worked with the Russians to bring about Glasnost. Had we followed the tree huggers in CND and rolled over, history might have been different. Mind you, she was bang on about the EU wanting all the power by the back door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I find it sad that people celebrate Thatchers "Taking on the unions". Do they realize that unions were formed by the workers for the benefit of the workers ? Working class people who fell for this Tory con are either the saddest victims of media brainwashing, or the jealous types who didn't have the guts to join a union and resented the pay and conditions of those who did. Catweazle, I fully support the unions standing up for the rights of the working man and getting decent pay and conditions, especially in the coal industry but just as some complained that Maggie got too power hungry in her latter years, so did the unions, they kept pushing for more, got more, .. massive inflation spiral... Secondly, how democratic was secondary picketing... On a lighter note, this could be a long thread. I think Mrs T is Marmite... no middle ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 No real comparison, Bliar is a war criminal after all. Although I despise him for the destruction of our economy I wouldn't gloat over his death. Plenty of short memories as usual, another case of an extended period of left wing destruction which dragged the country to its knees needing to be turned round when the good Lady came to the job. A small minority may not have had it as easy as they would have liked but the changes she was forced to make to stop the country going bust led to an economic recovery that allowed revenue to be raised that kept things going and for industry to escape to some extent from the communist led unions hell bent on destruction. Some of the disgusting comments doing the rounds merely serve to confirm the sort of dispicable people we have in our society!! R.I.P. Iron Lady. Wise words ,, Good (Not so Old)Old Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I find it sad that people celebrate Thatchers "Taking on the unions". Do they realize that unions were formed by the workers for the benefit of the workers ? Working class people who fell for this Tory con are either the saddest victims of media brainwashing, or the jealous types who didn't have the guts to join a union and resented the pay and conditions of those who did. So you reckon Scargill, who called an unballoted strike was doing the right thing?? At the outset the unions were for the benefit of the workers but like most things ran out of control and actually ended up costing workers their jobs. Not a case of media brainwashing, you just need to have lived through that time to see what was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 No other party or any subsequent govt have changed what she put in place so it can't have been that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 So you reckon Scargill, who called an unballoted strike was doing the right thing?? At the outset the unions were for the benefit of the workers but like most things ran out of control and actually ended up costing workers their jobs. Not a case of media brainwashing, you just need to have lived through that time to see what was going on. I'm 50 years old, I lived and worked through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 I actually think she got it right and unlike many in politics she had a spine and also she did a bloomin good job with the faulklands and embassy seige, it sent out out a clear message to other contrys not to tangle with us ! Others will dissagree and hate her but i wish she was in charge now ! well said salop,,she was a brilliant leader, unlike the idiots trying to ruin,,sorry i mean run the country now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 So you reckon Scargill, who called an unballoted strike was doing the right thing?? At the outset the unions were for the benefit of the workers but like most things ran out of control and actually ended up costing workers their jobs. Not a case of media brainwashing, you just need to have lived through that time to see what was going on. Hear Hear My brother in law worked for the coal board at the last strike, but was a printer so in a different union which WASN'T on strike NUM pickets wouldn't let them go to work though and were branded scabs for trying to If that's the unions fighting for the working man then you can stick it As said above, at the outset the unions did a good job for the working man, getting a fair days pay/ better conditions/safer practices but then the militants took over, tried to run it for themselves, Remember Red Robbo? Would call a strike if the sun didn't rise on time We would have gone under as a country years ago if the unions had got their way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) I don't care if people agreed with her policies or not, there is no excuse for celebrating her death. People like that do not belong on this planet. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-party-brixton-glasgow Edited April 8, 2013 by Reece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fallowbuck Posted April 8, 2013 Report Share Posted April 8, 2013 Can't say many tears will be shed here in South Wales.I think it was her lack of compassion and thought for the people who were affected by her policies that most alienated her from the communities here.There were 68 working mines in my area now there are none.Many high streets are almost ghost towns and the glue that was the mines and steelworks that held those communities together is gone.When you see gloating about that,now that's something that I find offensive!To compare her to Churchill is a joke,if you analyse it he always calculated casualties of war and tried to mitigate them, all she saw was the victory and glory,well to her mind anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nichollm Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Al4x - a typical comment from an ignoramus apropos 'Northerners' hating her. This 'Northerner' served 24 years in the military and she ensured we were adequately compensated regarding did Pay and Pension rights in conjunction with standing firm behind strategic military decisions made. It's good to see there are only minimal comments from the likes of Al4x. It has to be said that not everyone from the North was a Miner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 The Iron Lady is dead ...... Rust in peace. The Lady turned the country around fanatically and gave Great Britain it " Great" back. Shame she got to see how things got undone. One of our best ever leaders, there will be little to say about the current crop of the last decade or so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) I doubt I would be turning up at the rd side at the funeral of any politician to pay respects, nor shall i celebrate. their all as bad as each other one way or another regardless of which party they stand for. Britain does need change but Tory or labour or lib dems its just more of the same. Edited April 9, 2013 by overandunder2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasper3 Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Its funny, but my old dad was a tory yet a shop steward for NUPE at the same time, his outlook was, yes people should have a fair pay for a fair days work, but he would also say , the waste the hospitals produced was stupid, he would often say wards had ordered 40 meals for 30 patients , times that by 30 wards 3 times a day... empty rooms had heating on full blast and lights on.... buildings that where being closed down would get decorated.... like many have said, I won't be lining any streets waving a flag, but to show disrespect, as some have..well thats shameful in my eyes, as for those having Parties... sounds like jeremy kyle has plenty of future candidates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I doubt I would be turning up at the rd side at the funeral of any politician to pay respects, nor shall i celebrate. their all as bad as each other one way or another regardless of which party they stand for. Britain does need change but Tory or labour or lib dems its just more of the same. Depending when it is I think I might go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I worked for 52 years and was always a Union member, sadly I think that my subscription was wasted. I hurt my back twenty years ago and was threatened with the sack if I didn't return to work after five days off, Union did and said nothing, when we were threatened with closure, Union said and did little to nothing, local MP saved our jobs. In the last ten years four conveners have, one retired with a very good pension and enhanced severance, one left for a fulltime post with Union, one left to become fulltime Council official, one studied for a degree with paid time off, once he got his degree he left to become fulltime lecturer in sociology. Red Robbo lives in comfort in a very nice part of South Birmingham whilst his colleagues scratch out a meagre living unemployed and Scargill?? well he isn't struggling is he? Unions are a complete waste of working man's time and money. Every union representative I have ever met was bone idle on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) What a pile of horse!, Sorry KW but this is fiction. Would these be the same enemies that stopped other men working KW?. And where do you get 20% from?. Even that paper of evenhandedness The Guardian only shows 17%. How did Maggie bring about the housing boom?. Unemployment was at 1.4 million in 1979 when the Tories came in and rose to approx. 3 million at it's peak. The option was to keep subsidising inefficient industries that we could not afford ( hence why we were in the pooh in 1979 when the IMF said no. Should we really have thrown more money at it Only during wartime was full employment possible. Over to you KW. fiction ? I think not I remember interest rates peaking at 21.5* yes 21.5% in july 1981 , I remember her putting VAT up to 15% from 8,I remember unemployment going past 3 million and claimants being encouraged to go on benefit, I remember the sell off off good state industries ( I worked for the GEGB at the time) who bought them? yep they went to overseas owners who raped them taking money out of the country, I remember her "dole not coal" phrases, and her stooge Lamont saying if it aint hurting it aint working ( were have you heard that since seems it didn't work) no sunshine it aint fiction its fact, I suggest you get back to your Hansel and Grettle collection or beano album( that you must have)if you want fiction KW Edited April 9, 2013 by kdubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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