English archer Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 I am 36. When I was 22 I received a caution for carrying an offensive weapon, I was a security guard, and had a 6d cell maglite, that had the spare bulb removed, and loaded with lead. 4 years ago, I was attacked in a road rage attack, I fought back, and ended up charged with common assult, I received a fine, and a 12 month conditional discharge. Would these stop me getting a SGC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 yes sorry dont think you will be getting one with a record for violence Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 Would you give your self one honestly if your the kind of person to carry a weapon and fight in street you honestly think you own a gun sorry its harsh but its truth but cops might see it different to us lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 had it been the offence when 22 id say go for it the fact that 4 years ago you were charged with common assault then you may struggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted April 10, 2013 Report Share Posted April 10, 2013 If my memory serves me correct the last time I spoke to my FEO anything over 3 years is ok, BUT I may be wrong, best thing to do is to ring your local licensing department and ask there opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jody Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 You may get one it would have been fine if it was just the one from years ago. I think it's 5 years after a caution/ conviction you have to wait. If not its 10 years until its spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 It certainly isn't the greatest history but NOBODY here can say with certainty on the info you have provided. A casual and Honest call to your region would be the best bet for sensible advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiedenny Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 There is no straight answer as evey case is different. Get a form, give your local firearms officer a call prior to filling out and discuss. Almost 100% of decisions are fair and reasonable. 10 out of 10 for the honesty though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I was attacked in a road rage attack, I fought back, and ended up charged with common assult, I received a fine, and a 12 month conditional discharge. 10 out of 10 for the honesty though. 10 out of 10 if he made a guilty plea. If he denied the offence and was found guilty - where is the honesty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 You know the saying, you don't ask you don't get. I guess only time will tell. If it is serious the worse case scenario you'd have to apply in 5 years time. Menawhile you could still shoot at a clayground/rifle club. Just because you don't have/can't have a firearms/shotgun licence doesn't mean you can't go shooting. It's only if you're a prohibited person (3 years inside or more) you cannot even touch a low powered airgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel100 Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 If an individual applies for membership of a HO Approved Club, the Secretary would advise the Police of the application. In my area (S. Yorks.) the Police write back to say if they have a problem i.e. would they definitely say 'No' to the applicant. If a negative response came back, I cannot imagine any sensible Club Secretary allowing the Probationary Membership to continue. If it's a Guest Day, we would also be asked to provide names. However, I agree, IF you are open with the Police and ask the question, you will find out and might be pleasantly surprised. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 You are not a prohibited person under the firearms so act so apply and let the people who's job it is to decide, decide...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangon Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 The first incident was a long time ago and not that serious, just immaturity. the second incident is the the one that will haunt you. Im afraid the world is turning gay, You cannot fight back these days in the eyes of the law, if you do and the plod becomes involved you are seen as aggressive.. I would just apply. if it goes through happy days, if not tough shiite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daks Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Modifying a torch as a weapon at 22 and charged with assult at 32, oh but it wasn't your fault. Hope you don't get approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Modifying a torch as a weapon at 22 and charged with assult at 32, oh but it wasn't your fault. Hope you don't get approved. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannywayoflife Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Like I said on your post on the BBS you've shown poor judgement involving violence and weapons twice. This isn't really conducive to owning firearms. Personally from my point of view even though your not barred from applying I wouldn't be happy knowing that someone who has adapted a weapon and had a violance conviction owned guns. I also think its bad for the future of our sport as what happens when the media find out just makes a mockery of the licensing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) Nobody can second guess this but for the ownership of firearms -no conviction is ever 'spent' and the police can, quite rightly, consider your convictions in the light of an application. You'd be better shooting clays and borrowing one. I would think twice about anyone who had 2 convictions for anything as serious as yours. Sadly it wasn't just the one instance when you were young and could possibly be excused. My guess would be - no chance. Edited April 12, 2013 by Kes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxus77 Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 +1 +2 enough problems with legislation and poor gun ownership adding another doesnt help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 +3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 Give it a go, see what happens, be honest about everything.To be honest if this was a few years back you might of had a chance, but after the various high-profile shootings in the last few years they have really tightened things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 The first incident was a long time ago and not that serious, just immaturity. the second incident is the the one that will haunt you. Im afraid the world is turning gay, You cannot fight back these days in the eyes of the law, if you do and the plod becomes involved you are seen as aggressive.. I would just apply. if it goes through happy days, if not tough shiite. Of course you can fight back, self defence is well covered under at least two pieces of important legislation everyone should know verbatim. Unfortunately on this site we only ever get a few lines about how "I was nicked by the old bill a few years ago, but I'm totally innocent", not the full story which I imagine is totally different. I hope the op doesn't get granted a cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted April 14, 2013 Report Share Posted April 14, 2013 Of course you can fight back, self defence is well covered under at least two pieces of important legislation everyone should know verbatim. Unfortunately on this site we only ever get a few lines about how "I was nicked by the old bill a few years ago, but I'm totally innocent", not the full story which I imagine is totally different. I hope the op doesn't get granted a cert. Always seems to be the case. Not saying that this is the case here as I don't know the ins and outs, but for some strange reason people seem to hold back from telling the whole truth in the hope that others will tell them what they want to hear. It was nothing to do with me. I wasn't throwing petrol bombs it was a bottle of vinegar that I was taking home for my chips etc. More details will enable people to give you a more accurate answer. As it stands, you will get a mixture of no's and go for it answers, but only you will know the details of what happened with the assault. A conviction for assault is a conviction for assault. There aren't different grades of conviction like A or B- etc for less serious assaults. The way things are going with firearms at the minute, it seems that any excuse will be used not to grant a certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English archer Posted April 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Thanks for all the replies, positive and negative. I call the firearms licencing depertment today, and had a chat with a very nice lady there. She listened to my circumstances, she told me the convictions shouldnt be a problem, and she is sending me the forms to apply. To all those that have criticised me, the modded torch, fair enough, i was an idiot, but as a security guard working alone, i felt safer with it. As for the assult, who can honestly say, that when been attacked with a shovel, and faced with a non starting car, wouldnt push the other guy to the floor, to allow your escape from the situation? And yes i know you only have my side of the story, but as you have seen from my op, i am open and honest, and dont lie. My soliciter was shocked that my self defence claim was dismissed, but the fit agile 61 year old that attacked me, was a very different personality to the frail old man with a stick that shuffled into court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 (edited) So what happened to the other party? Was he too found guilty of assault? After all, he attacked you with a weapon. Edited April 15, 2013 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 why on earth would anybody feel the need to fill a 6 cell maglite with lead? i would imagine they would easily crack a skull open with just the batteries in them , very worrying regardless of age or immaturity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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