parapilot Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I like his shows. He has climbed Everest after braking his back, gone through sas selection (ta or not) so he's tough, and knows his stuff. He is a bit energetic to the cameras, for tv but does know how to survive and would get you out alive. I'd rather him that ray mears any day if stranded somewhere. He always makes reference to his camera man, and rigger (ropes) that goes with him it's no secret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I read his book,a lot of stuff about his young life,his sister (who gave him the name Bear),public school,karate training,surviving after school,sas training/service,breaking his back,climbing everest and doing the tv series.Which i have watched and several others of this ilk. From what i read and have watched,this is a man we should be proud is british and thankful he has not challenged any of us to acheive what he has,in the time he has. Now as chief scout,he is encouraging others to acheive.Can't see how he is all that bad really and certainly wouldn't want to fight him or be him. Tv,is just that,its entertainment,how would any of us look if we were filmed shooting pigeons. Ray who Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I' m not a great fan of both but at least Bear did serve his country in 21 SAS so he must have something . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexl Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Walking would be ok but you'd be in trouble if you needed to do any jumping. Ray doesn't do jumping. Or clambering. The trouble is if you were stuck out in the wilderness, chucking yourself off the edge of a steep hill and risk breaking your leg is not the best idea. Entirely different if your in the SAS and being chased by some people who dont like you very much as the alternative may be a bit more serious! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul65 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 The trouble is if you were stuck out in the wilderness, chucking yourself off the edge of a steep hill and risk breaking your leg is not the best idea. Entirely different if your in the SAS and being chased by some people who dont like you very much as the alternative may be a bit more serious! Exactly, it all depends on priorities. Bear Grylls gets a lot of stick for doing things like jumping off ledges into rivers without knowing what's down there. If you are stuck somewhere, sometimes you have to make that choice. As for people who don't like you, Ray Mears reminds me of those friendly shiny-eyed early settlers in America who went to visit the local natives and ended up full of arrows. The locals don't always enjoy having a jolly fat bloke coming along to patronise them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I' m not a great fan of both but at least Bear did serve his country in 21 SAS so he must have something . Ray helps out with the military as well,i am certain that he has taught survival to pilots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Sheen Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 Walking would be ok but you'd be in trouble if you needed to do any jumping. Ray doesn't do jumping. Or clambering. Ray meats doesn't do anything unless it involves sitting and eating bread in his hot pants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconBoy Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 i'd rather be with bear,that mears bloke would want toooo many of me corn dog sarnies.......no chance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Ray helps out with the military as well,i am certain that he has taught survival to pilots. He has instructed the regular sas in survival also. Bear is an entertainer. Edited June 16, 2013 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex C Posted June 16, 2013 Report Share Posted June 16, 2013 I didnt see Bear getting called in to track down that nut job Raoul Moat ? Coppers reckoned that due to the proximity Ray Mears managed to track him to, Raoul broke cover and the stand off ensued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted June 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Think we should have a poll ray or bear ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I watch both occasionally but I think for me I would take my chances with Ray - find half edible stuff and sit it out a bit whereas with Bear I would probably die within the first day! Picking through bear poo and jumping off the sides of mountains would definitely finish me off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 In reality most of us might manage to pick up a few skills from Ray long enough anyway to be found but there are very few of us that could do what Bear does and survive long enough to be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Mears has said that the difference between himself and Grylls is that the latter demonstrates the military response to an extreme survival emergency while, himself, Mears, teaches people the skills necessary to avoid getting into that predicament in the first place. Edit: Grylls's programmes are based on an assumption that wilderness is hostile and a place to escape from; Mears, that wilderness is man's natural habitat and a place, with the right skills, to escape to. Edited June 22, 2013 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted June 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Mears has said that the difference between himself and Grylls is that the latter demonstrates the military response to an extreme survival emergency while, himself, Mears, teaches people the skills necessary to avoid getting into that predicament in the first place. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 The words "bell" and "end" spring to mind, as they do with Ben Fogle and that over-excited muscley bloke with the squeaky voice who does those wildlife/adventure shows. Urban, public school, dumbed-down Blue Peter presenters who treat the audience like five year old. Kate Humble is the female version. Ghastly. David Attenborough, Ray Mears and Jack Hargreaves for me. Grown up presenters for grown ups. I'm not the only one then - I agree entirely and Kate Humble what a joke, permanent rictus of a smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Ranulph Fiennes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Ranulph Fiennes Top trump,game over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Ranulph Fiennes Have a read of his Autobiography "Mad Bad And Dangerous To Know" that is exactly what he is. Good book and a real mans man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Regardless of whether some of his stuff is setup or he stays in a hotel whatever.... the guy still has balls of steel and makes a good watch on TV..... after all, thats why we watch TV... to be entertained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Think ur right there Seen him on top gear a few years ago on about cutting his frostbitten fingers off in the garden shed with a black and decker. That's a real man for u. Think gimlet hit nail on head a few post's back, about the dfferent attatuide between the 2. if u know wot ur doing u don't want to be running and jumping or eating raw roadkill animals, quickest way to end up dead. And to be honest if he's actually convincing people that speed is the best way to get out off a tricky situation then he is doing a lot off harm and actually more likely to put people into harms way. Generally if the brown stuff hits the fan the first rule is find shelter, sit down and access the situation calmly, not run around like a headless chicken. When i was a scout we went off to an island and done survival training with an ex SAS for a few days and it was all find shelter, food, fire and don't do anything stupid/risky. I was lucky enough to be over in NZ recently doing walking and hunting mostly on my own, there is nothing that calms and slows u down more than knowing i'm a 3-4 days walk to the nearest road over dodgy terrian and rope bridges, all it would take was a sprained/twisted ankle and u could be in big trouble. Must admit my mate gave me his PLB and it's amazing how reassuring that is The pasty ur right we watch it too be entertained but he tries to make out it's educational and if u learn wot he's shown u it will help u, whenin reality it's just complete nonsense. Can anyone else remember the Bush tucker man an Ozzy version of ray meanrs? Edited June 22, 2013 by scotslad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I remember watching bush tucker man, with his strange shaped hat, he was switched on and knew what he was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 I love Bush Tucker man as a lad.... proper old school.... there was a Ray episode where the two got together. I watch all these things with a vue to being entertained not taking notes on how I might survive if I was dropped from a helicopter into the congo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 Aye seen that 1, u could tell the 2 folk had a lot off mutal respect for each other, somehow i doubt bear would get the same respect Ur right, but i think bear tries to make out its factual too, when it's not really, infact alot off it is actually bad practice or the wrong things to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 (edited) Anyone seen the american special services guy and his english wife,they get dropped into different places and have to survive,based on real life occurances. Then there is dual survival,an indian cultural guy and an ex marine. Then,you could watch doomsday preppers for when its all gone wrong and bear/ray are not there to help Think i watch to much tv Edited June 22, 2013 by vampire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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