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Buying a River Cruiser...any hints and tips from owners


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Some help would be much appreciated as basically I know nothing, except they are pretty much a bottomless money pit!

 

I'm looking to buy a boat for river cruising, (NOT a Narrow boat) 25-35ft, yes, I know, that is a BIG difference, but these will be old, 70's or maybe early 80's.

 

So what problem areas do I need to look for, any hints and tips on engines/props, I want a gentle river cruiser, not a ski boat with massive engines (and fuel consumption). .

 

Also must have toilet, shower, basin and galley and at least 2 cabins, hopefully 3!

 

Cheers

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to quote from somebody else,, If it flies, floats or f........ hire it

 

From personal experience the idea is much much better than the reality.

A quick trip around the marinas will show you many boats that are hardly used

and are only kept because the owners wont admit to making an expensive mistake.

 

Tis a bit different if you have a free mooring a few yards from your house though

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As you say bottomless pit and as others say lots dont get used.

Its a lovely thing to have 'if' you have the spare cash life on th river is so relaxed.

It dont stop at the boat tho, mooring has to be considered, annual river licence, insurance, running costs etc etc

If you go for it enjoy but it def aint cheap!!

 

Oh just thought if I remember correct there was talk of 'banning' red diesel on rivers etc not sure if it was ever done

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An owner of a narrow boat informed me that, although hiring seems expensive, unless you're on board for 200+ days each year then hiring actually works out cheaper.

 

OK, as owner you get the joy of your own design, layout and equipment but it could be an expensive luxury.

 

I love being on the cut but couldn't be there for 200 days each year, thus I hire.

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If you want to do someone a bad turn.....................GIVE them a boat.

 

However on the serious side if you go ahead then take someone knowledgeable with you. He/she will know what to watch for which all depends upon if you are thinking about a wooden or a plastic boat. They both have their own possible problems which are quite different.

 

As far as engines are concerned IMO you must go down the diesel route and the things to watch for are the usual things you would look out for on a diesel engine. If you are not sure again take someone who is.

 

Good luck

ATB

Bri

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If you buy an old wooden boat assume it is rotten, it will be somewhere even if not obvious.

 

A plastic boat will be your best bet but you will need to see it out of the water if more than 5 years old, once out you are looking for osmosis which will show up as blistering of the top coat. If it has osmosis and you still want it that compare an area of the hull without and with, if the area with feel spongy walk away it gone too far. If it is still sound you will need to rub down the blisters, fill them and then put a new top coat over the whole hull. If you find a pastic boat of some age without osmosis and you like it buy it quick if the engine is OK. As was said previously Diesel only, you want to start it from cold, once its warm does it smoke, check for oil and water in the bilge if you find some where is it coming from?

 

As always with specialised subjects if you know someone with experience take them with you but do not ignore your instinct. Do not buy the first boat you see but look at a good number you can always buy that first boat once you have had a look round.

 

And it is good to see you have worked out already that a boat is a hole in the water you throw £20 notes into but never manage to fill the hole up.

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If you buy an old wooden boat assume it is rotten, it will be somewhere even if not obvious.

 

A plastic boat will be your best bet but you will need to see it out of the water if more than 5 years old, once out you are looking for osmosis which will show up as blistering of the top coat. If it has osmosis and you still want it that compare an area of the hull without and with, if the area with feel spongy walk away it gone too far. If it is still sound you will need to rub down the blisters, fill them and then put a new top coat over the whole hull. If you find a pastic boat of some age without osmosis and you like it buy it quick if the engine is OK. As was said previously Diesel only, you want to start it from cold, once its warm does it smoke, check for oil and water in the bilge if you find some where is it coming from?

 

As always with specialised subjects if you know someone with experience take them with you but do not ignore your instinct. Do not buy the first boat you see but look at a good number you can always buy that first boat once you have had a look round.

 

And it is good to see you have worked out already that a boat is a hole in the water you throw £20 notes into but never manage to fill the hole up.

 

Spot on Stroud

 

Worked for around 6 years on a Northumbrian coble and a prawn trawler on the North Sea, not going to repeat that experience but I did learn a little about boats.

 

Edit - Dekers forgot to mention, one thing a marine engine has which other diesels don't; is a heat exchanger. The equivalent of a van radiator. It uses water brought inboard to cool the engine coolant keeping the water in the engine system separate from that used to cool it. They can be very prone to blockages and corrosion from the carp sucked up from the water you're sailing in. Not sure if this is the case on boats sailing in fresh water, suspect it will be cos at some stage boats will be in salt water, river deltas, tidal stretches etc.

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Boats are really ridiculously cheap at the moment. Many more for sale than there are buyers. Never pay anything near the asking price, offer half at most and remember you are going to have to try to sell it one day.

Do not buy 70-80s its simply too old. They still did built some wooden boats out of decent wood in those days but don't bank on it, it was perhaps the worst era for corner cutting. 30 year old GRP will be past its sell by date.

 

my views, others will have theirs

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Been to 4 different marinas today, looked at 11 boats, what a difference in size, condition, price.

 

GRP is what I'm looking at and have found a couple of possibilities, not surprisingly they are the biggest, best condition and most expensive.

 

Yeah, NEW boats are absolutely daft money, so are some of the pretty new used ones. Today I found a 1981 Birchwood 33 Viceroy and 1982 Birchwood 31 Commodore, top of the list so far (just a coincidence they are both Birchwoods). Any comments?

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I've had cruisers for five years now and love it. got a new to one coming on Friday a fjord27. Yes they cost money but what doesn't these days. Iam on the great Ouse and it costs me about £1300 a year all in, how many holidays can you get for that.

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definition of a boat ......................................................................... a hole in the water that you pour money into ....................................................or..................

Bring Out Another Thousand

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It's amazing how many people try to dis your ideas . I live on a narrowboat and the only expensive things are marina and licence fees . They will be the best most relaxing days you can spend .

Have you tried searching on appollo duck there are plenty on there . As has been said don't buy one that's too old as it will be past it's shelf life

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It's amazing how many people try to dis your ideas . I live on a narrowboat and the only expensive things are marina and licence fees . They will be the best most relaxing days you can spend .

Have you tried searching on appollo duck there are plenty on there . As has been said don't buy one that's too old as it will be past it's shelf life

 

Mooring is daft.

 

Simple mooring charge, no hook up etc!

 

£1664 - £4161 mooring fees so far, and guess what, the cheapest is full and a waiting list of dead mens shoes!

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Mooring is daft.

 

Simple mooring charge, no hook up etc!

 

£1664 - £4161 mooring fees so far, and guess what, the cheapest is full and a waiting list of dead mens shoes!

yes but you, I think, are looking at the Thames. A lot of those floating gin palaces hardly ever move

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Mooring is daft.

 

Simple mooring charge, no hook up etc!

 

£1664 - £4161 mooring fees so far, and guess what, the cheapest is full and a waiting list of dead mens shoes!

That's the Thames for you mines 168/quarter for 24ft less 10% if you pay for a year up front but this is on the great Ouse

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