Danoi99 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Can anyone tell me what the point was when they decided to make shotguns FAC, once they have a mag that holds more than 2 carts ? Edited October 7, 2013 by Danoi99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Easy tiger have a rant with your fao and chill out... !!! If your still angry in the morning take 1 of these 3 times a day.... http://www.wickes.co.uk/invt/165806/?source=123_75 Edited October 7, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoi99 Posted October 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Easy tiger have a rant with your fao and chill out... !!! If your still angry in the morning take 1 of these 3 times a day.... http://www.wickes.co.uk/invt/165806/?source=123_75 Do I take them the french way? in the back door !!! Yeh, it did sound a bit ranty, edited it now, so it's just a question.........can you throw any light on the thinking behind such legislation? Edited October 7, 2013 by Danoi99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 No it's one for someone higher than me , I only pull triggers maybe you need a yoda of the firearms licensing world to question the governments theory behind this legislation.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Can anyone tell me what the point was when they decided to make shotguns FAC, once they have a mag that holds more than 2 carts ? The people who do this sort of pointless thing don't need a reason. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 The same people that made a single shot 9mm garden gun a firearm, despite the fact that it could barely take the skin off a rice pudding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) The same people that made a single shot 9mm garden gun a firearm, despite the fact that it could barely take the skin off a rice pudding +1 rats don't like them though Edited October 7, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 +1 rats don't like them though From what I understand, they don't much like a non-FAC airgun pellet. From reading around, these garden guns are too short to be considered shotguns which is why you need an FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) I used to shoot a 5 shot semi 25 yrs ago on rats it was a right bit of kit, sadly times have changed :( Edited October 7, 2013 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 (edited) Can anyone tell me what the point was when they decided to make shotguns FAC, once they have a mag that holds more than 2 carts ? This doesn't answer directly ...but it might be interesting background info for anyone too young to remember. It happened in the fall out from this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre Edit: (2nd paragraph is relevant) Edited October 7, 2013 by HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 This doesn't answer directly...but it might be interesting background info for anyone too young to remember. It happened in the fall out from this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre Before Hungerford you could have pretty much anything, as usual hasty legislation was drafted in a hurry to appease the gen public. Irony is that you can keep up a better rate of fire with a break action gun Regards Remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2012 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Can anyone tell me what the point was when they decided to make shotguns FAC, once they have a mag that holds more than 2 carts ? Pointless really if you ask me. Out of curiousity if someone were to be granted an fac shotgun for lets say practical shotgun is it conditioned to that use solely or could you use it for pigeon shooting also? As the club i want to join does PSG and if its not conditioned for target use it would save me having to have multiple shotguns. Sorry to hijack the thread, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I've have FAC shotguns (no SGC), they are conditioned for specific uses... vermin (all legal quarry), clays & PSG. You get the usual spurious comments about never needing more than 2-3 shots at a time but when shooting vermin there has been many an occasion when I've been able to keep shooting but my Bro on an SGC has to reload and lose out. The legislation is there to restrict more capable guns being used as they shouldnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 I've had a few occasions where the pigeons have been coming in so thick and fast that I couldn't load quick enough and the barrel got too hot to hold (3 shot semi), sadly not as many times as I'd like but an fac shotgun would certainly have helped. It's a shame we're so heavily restricted but **it happens I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkfloat Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 The governments thinking was they only wanted you to kill a maximum of 3 people before someone jumped on you and stopped you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Before Hungerford you could have pretty much anything, as usual hasty legislation was drafted in a hurry to appease the gen public. Irony is that you can keep up a better rate of fire with a break action gun Regards Remmyman As above, it was a daft, ill considered, kneejerk reaction to Hungerford! Edited October 8, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Much the same thinking that was behind the handgun legislation, pointless as it has served no purpose, the only people with handguns now are criminals. I don't doubt there are a fair few fac shotguns out there without certs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Strange rules are very much de regeur! Like the limit on 2 + 1 for wildfowl, which I understand stops you taking out whole flights but doesn't help any farms being battered by the Canada's, having to pick them off in twos for a fortnight rather than one good hard whack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirgoldalot Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) if you have fac ticket its just £25 to add on multishot auto if you want a seperate sgl 3 shot auto its £50 wheres the logic? Edited October 8, 2013 by sirgoldalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Strange rules are very much de regeur! Like the limit on 2 + 1 for wildfowl, which I understand stops you taking out whole flights but doesn't help any farms being battered by the Canada's, having to pick them off in twos for a fortnight rather than one good hard whack You can use a S1 shotgun to kill Canada Geese under the General License. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 Can anyone tell me what the point was when they decided to make shotguns FAC, once they have a mag that holds more than 2 carts ? As has been said,the opportunity to restrict came with the shootings at Hungerford,but the idea had been knocking around for some time.It has long been the desire of successive English governments to restrict the availability and number of firearms legally in circulation.If you're really interested in the subject there is a lot of good reading material out there,including 'Guns and Violence....The English Experience' by Joyce Lee Malcolm.Starting from the 13th century she explains how we got to where we are currently,and the political reasoning behind it,mostly based on class prejudice,distrust and fear.The former Police officer and pro-shooting rights campaigner Colin Greenwood has also written one or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 As has been said,the opportunity to restrict came with the shootings at Hungerford,but the idea had been knocking around for some time.It has long been the desire of successive English governments to restrict the availability and number of firearms legally in circulation.If you're really interested in the subject there is a lot of good reading material out there,including 'Guns and Violence....The English Experience' by Joyce Lee Malcolm.Starting from the 13th century she explains how we got to where we are currently,and the political reasoning behind it,mostly based on class prejudice,distrust and fear.The former Police officer and pro-shooting rights campaigner Colin Greenwood has also written one or two. What he said The specific story around the campfire i've heard was that Douglas Hurd who was Home Secretary at the time of the Hungerford massacre was discussing the appropriate action in response to the shootings and brought up the point that banned semi-auto rifles was pointless as you could own a semi-auto shotgun, load it with solid slug and you'd basically have the same capabilities. He then realised what he'd said and talked himself into bumping multi-shot shotguns onto a higher level of regulation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul2012 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 So if your reason is for psg can you ask for vermin in order to prevent you from having to have another gun or do you need a good reason for vermin as well i.e be able to demonstrate a need for 7+1 or will the above be sufficient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 If you have somewhere to shoot vermin and already have the S1 gun for any other reason they should add the vermin condition without any fuss. Don't bother specifying the capacity of the gun, just that its a multi-shot/S1 shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 8, 2013 Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 as said another knee jerk from the goverment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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