muncher Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Just a heads up Whittlesey gun shop has the new ones in £9.50 for 25 and the gambier rhino ten range for £12.50 for ten in lead and steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 £9.50 ? thats nearly 380/k ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted October 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 He likes his wonga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 £9.50 ? thats nearly 380/k ! That's exactly £380 per thousand. That isn't too bad. I can only get the 3" Mammoths for £320 per thousand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 The 10ga are Cheap!! Fire them off and reload them. C&G are charging £550 per thousand for new unprimed remington cases. (£55 per 100) The last cheddite 10g cases I bought were £34.95 per 100....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blakloks Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Someone needs to chrono this new batch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 Someone needs to chrono this new batch Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyboy Posted October 14, 2013 Report Share Posted October 14, 2013 To check their speed??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 To check their speed??? Yes, but why? I have never chrono'd a load in my life, yet all the cartridges I've used have killed things. No doubt these will, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varminator Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Yes, would be interesting to compare against last years batch. I am awaiting an order so may well ditch them as I can now get Mammoths for 28 pence each and they have always done the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyboy Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 To see that they have altered something and have slowed them down ! I'd be interested to find out if they still hit 1400 plus ! 200 fps less than stated but last season I stopped loading 3 " for these and thought they were pretty good with excellent patterns ! Something gets pulled in there's no way it will remain the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Just a heads up Whittlesey gun shop has the new ones in £9.50 for 25 and the gambier rhino ten range for £12.50 for ten in lead and steel How big would these carts be in inchs? Any ideas SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 How big would these carts be in inchs? Any ideas SW Eley lightning are 3". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strangford wildfowler Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Eley lightning are 3". Cheers big mat, they might go well with my auto then, if I can get a hold of them. Cheers SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 To see that they have altered something and have slowed them down ! I'd be interested to find out if they still hit 1400 plus ! 200 fps less than stated but last season I stopped loading 3 " for these and thought they were pretty good with excellent patterns ! Something gets pulled in there's no way it will remain the same As far as i'm aware, the only reason that some were recalled is because of a powder metering error, meaning a bit more than the specified dose was being put in. I doubt this means that the new batch will be any different than the whole of the first batch should have been. Therefore, the speeds should be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyboy Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 I'm not so sure on this Motty but let's hope they remain the same for the steel shot shooters out there ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 In my area if you want the shot load and size you favour you have to stock up for the season as the local gunshops only place one order for non toxic shells a season and when they are gone thats it until the next season. In some years its proved impossible to get goose loads after December of any non toxic shot and yet strangely you can often still get big loads in lead! Once again I have dne the rounds of my local gun shops and as usual none had any Lightning's inspite of some of the shops having places orders several months ago. The whole lightning episode has been a co*k up from start to finnish. Who in their right mind would release a wildfowling cartridge in the middle of the season when most wildfowlers have stocked up for the season and most gunshops know the sales will be poor and then load a faulty batch just before the start of the following season so for the second year they will be unavailable to most of us until mid season when again most fowlers have already bought their shells for the comming season. Its true Lightning has been available in some more distant shops ( Wittlesey ) , but add the price of a couple of gallions of fuel to the cost of a few boxes of shells and it makes them far too costly , quite apart from half a days drive to get there and back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 In my area if you want the shot load and size you favour you have to stock up for the season as the local gunshops only place one order for non toxic shells a season and when they are gone thats it until the next season. In some years its proved impossible to get goose loads after December of any non toxic shot and yet strangely you can often still get big loads in lead! Once again I have dne the rounds of my local gun shops and as usual none had any Lightning's inspite of some of the shops having places orders several months ago. The whole lightning episode has been a co*k up from start to finnish. Who in their right mind would release a wildfowling cartridge in the middle of the season when most wildfowlers have stocked up for the season and most gunshops know the sales will be poor and then load a faulty batch just before the start of the following season so for the second year they will be unavailable to most of us until mid season when again most fowlers have already bought their shells for the comming season. Its true Lightning has been available in some more distant shops ( Wittlesey ) , but add the price of a couple of gallions of fuel to the cost of a few boxes of shells and it makes them far too costly , quite apart from half a days drive to get there and back. well said. BASC should take note, thats the rubbish the shooters in the uk have to put up with. cartridges in and out of the market like the hokey kokey. are they in or out? as for availability, not that much, just cartridges is an option though. this hasnt been the first cookup by eley. if i recolect the very first 21gram loads failed to clear the bores. i heard a gentleman returned 10,000 shells. gamebore invested alot of money years ago into steel reloads. hence why they are lightyears ahead of the competition. is this what we are to expect, only one decent manufacturer? other manufacturers issuing poor products, issuing recalls?? so much for this "economic equivalent" (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 well said. BASC should take note, thats the rubbish the shooters in the uk have to put up with. cartridges in and out of the market like the hokey kokey. are they in or out? as for availability, not that much, just cartridges is an option though. this hasnt been the first cookup by eley. if i recolect the very first 21gram loads failed to clear the bores. i heard a gentleman returned 10,000 shells. gamebore invested alot of money years ago into steel reloads. hence why they are lightyears ahead of the competition. is this what we are to expect, only one decent manufacturer? other manufacturers issuing poor products, issuing recalls?? so much for this "economic equivalent" (?) And gamebore do all this handicapped by stupid rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted October 17, 2013 Report Share Posted October 17, 2013 Have to say in very pleased with the gamebore stuff so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve w Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 the four gunshops i use all said lighting steel never heard of them ? made by eley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klammer Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Whittlesey still had the Eley Lightnings in on Friday when I visited, I get on great with Mammoths in 3" and 3.5" so i don't think i will change just yet. I think the last Eley cartridges i bought were Alphamax in lead! although this was way before the ban. I did use the Remmington sportsman and nitro range up until two years ago when one of the 3.5"s came apart after shooting a goose, and left the plastic casing jammed in the breach, good job i wasn't cycling 3" afterwards or else i could have blown my face off. They also had just got a delivery of 10 bore mammoths in 3 and 3.5, not sure of the shot sizes though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I have spoken to Eley Hawk about the lightning steel loads and he tells me the metering story is rubbish The chap I spoke to informs me he had a chap from down south in the west country who on inspecting the shells found the steel shot slightly above the wad The shells were tested and it was found the shot sat back in the wad On firing There is now a new wad in the cartridge where the shot sits totally in the wad I am only passing on the info I was told so I won't be able to answer any questions you ask me I'm glad there is no issue with them as I have quite a few and I'm assured there was no powder problems in the production Donkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Whittlesey still had the Eley Lightnings in on Friday when I visited, I get on great with Mammoths in 3" and 3.5" so i don't think i will change just yet. I think the last Eley cartridges i bought were Alphamax in lead! although this was way before the ban. I did use the Remmington sportsman and nitro range up until two years ago when one of the 3.5"s came apart after shooting a goose, and left the plastic casing jammed in the breach, good job i wasn't cycling 3" afterwards or else i could have blown my face off. They also had just got a delivery of 10 bore mammoths in 3 and 3.5, not sure of the shot sizes though. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenman Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I have spoken to Eley Hawk about the lightning steel loads and he tells me the metering story is rubbish The chap I spoke to informs me he had a chap from down south in the west country who on inspecting the shells found the steel shot slightly above the wad The shells were tested and it was found the shot sat back in the wad On firing There is now a new wad in the cartridge where the shot sits totally in the wad I am only passing on the info I was told so I won't be able to answer any questions you ask me I'm glad there is no issue with them as I have quite a few and I'm assured there was no powder problems in the production Donkey I am quite surprised at that as steel shot has been known to set back into the wad for some time now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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