fieldwanderer Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I'm having a little trouble seeing what's going on through the scope these days - I guess I'm getting old or something! Maybe it's partly that the cross hairs are a bit too thick on my scope for what I'm trying to do. Anyway, I firmly believe that me and my rifle are more than capable of tiny groups at 100yds but, looking through the scope, I simply can't see well enough to aim in the same place each time - so how can I expect a small group!? Obviously, the sort of detail I'm on about is way more than I'll ever need for a fox or even a rabbit but I'm currently trying to develop a load for the rifle and feel this is seriously hindering the process. Scope's an mtc taipan 6-24x56, I do intend to get something fancier but it'll have to wait until the new year now. Anyone had similar and found a way around it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 90 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Have you tried some of those SHOOT-N-C targets ? I have a Bushnell Tactical Elite 6-24x50 with the BRT Mil Ret that I used on my .204 last summer - it''s excellent & will be for sale if the Drone Pro lives up to my expectations - I'm not too far from you either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottoj18 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Make up a rest. It will take out the uncontrollable factors, if it's consistency you want it's the best way It dosent matter where you hit just the grouping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholiath Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Check all these out. http://www.6mmbr.com/targets.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Plaster board is the best target . It leaves black on white holes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Have you tried some of those SHOOT-N-C targets ? I have a Bushnell Tactical Elite 6-24x50 with the BRT Mil Ret that I used on my .204 last summer - it''s excellent & will be for sale if the Drone Pro lives up to my expectations - I'm not too far from you either. It certainly does sounds like you could do with some of the Birchwood Casey Shoot-N-See Targets! I print my own "ringed" targets on A4 paper then stick a 3" Shoot-N-See target over the bulls eye and find they are perfect for zeroing up at 100 yards/meters as you can clearly see the strikes through your scopes. I have to say that it's not all about 1/4" clover leaf groups when setting your rifle up for fox or deer. If you can put 5 out of 5 shots on a 3" Shoot-N-See target at 100 yards then you can cleanly kill a fox or deer with a "heart and lung shot" at 100 yards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Another vote for shoot n see, they're brilliant. Loads of different sizes to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 1inch high at 100 yards... If I was doing 3 inch groups at 100meters I'd throw my gun away...it's also not acceptable on deer/foxes if you pull the shot even slightly you could be 4/5inch off target...that may mean a injured fox or deer...you want as tight a group as you can get before taking live quarry...shoot and see targets are fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I'm having a little trouble seeing what's going on through the scope these days - I guess I'm getting old or something! Maybe it's partly that the cross hairs are a bit too thick on my scope for what I'm trying to do. Anyway, I firmly believe that me and my rifle are more than capable of tiny groups at 100yds but, looking through the scope, I simply can't see well enough to aim in the same place each time - so how can I expect a small group!? Obviously, the sort of detail I'm on about is way more than I'll ever need for a fox or even a rabbit but I'm currently trying to develop a load for the rifle and feel this is seriously hindering the process. Scope's an mtc taipan 6-24x56, I do intend to get something fancier but it'll have to wait until the new year now. Anyone had similar and found a way around it? Once you have the rifle zeroed just use a 1" shoot and see target and if you get all 3 or 5 shots in that black circle thats more than good enough and they are good enough to see at 100 yards. 1inch high at 100 yards... If I was doing 3 inch groups at 100meters I'd throw my gun away...it's also not acceptable on deer/foxes if you pull the shot even slightly you could be 4/5inch off target...that may mean a injured fox or deer...you want as tight a group as you can get before taking live quarry...shoot and see targets are fine... You would be very suprised at how many people cant do better than 3" @ 100 yards under normal field conditions. When I did my DSC 1 years ago out of the whole group there were only 2 of us that grouped within an inch and 1 of the shooters a man who had been stalking for years took 2 goes at it and his final group was on the edge of the target but still a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 You would be very suprised at how many people cant do better than 3" @ 100 yards under normal field conditions. When I did my DSC 1 years ago out of the whole group there were only 2 of us that grouped within an inch and 1 of the shooters a man who had been stalking for years took 2 goes at it and his final group was on the edge of the target but still a pass. Tell me about it, on the course I was on I couldn't belive the target size but they did fail 1 bloke for a open group over 4 or so inches...in my opinion a 3 inch group at 100 meters isn't acceptable once you start factoring in weather conditions and wind you could be way off, best to get the best group possible then a bad shot could be 3 inch, not start with a 3inch group as a bad shot could be 5/6 inch out.., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Tell me about it, on the course I was on I couldn't belive the target size but they did fail 1 bloke for a open group over 4 or so inches...in my opinion a 3 inch group at 100 meters isn't acceptable once you start factoring in weather conditions and wind you could be way off, best to get the best group possible then a bad shot could be 3 inch, not start with a 3inch group as a bad shot could be 5/6 inch out.., It is worrying...on my DSC1 more than one person failed the shooting test with their own rifle, yet they had already been out shooting deer. It's really not hard at all but definitely shows a lack of respect for deer or any other quarry shooting at the outside of you abilities and risking wounding. I am not saying I haven't wounded rabbits etc, as we all have but I have the odds in my favour as I know I can shoot good groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 It is worrying...on my DSC1 more than one person failed the shooting test with their own rifle, yet they had already been out shooting deer. It's really not hard at all but definitely shows a lack of respect for deer or any other quarry shooting at the outside of you abilities and risking wounding. I am not saying I haven't wounded rabbits etc, as we all have but I have the odds in my favour as I know I can shoot good groups. Totally agree mate...it's just bad practice and also shows a blatant lack of respect to say to someone starting out or advising them that a 3inch group is fine to start taking live quarry..as said 3inch soon becomes 4 or 5 inches with a bit of wind.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 I've experimented with making my own 'shoot 'n see' targets by colouring the center of a target with yellow crayon, then applying black poster paint over it. I've had good results, although you can't beat the 'proper' ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 If your scope has mil dot reticule then print off a yellow or orange disc about the size of a tea plate with a black line through the middle, top to bottom!. Set at your prefered range. Then zoom either in or out until the mil dots are the same between tue top and bottom of your target. Say 2 dots from the crosshair to the top and 2 to the bottom. Then line the vertical hair up with the black line on your target. That should give you a good central shot each time! Short of that, as mentioned before use a bench and clamp the gun down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) A large piece of white paper . Draw a 4 inch square with a marker pen in the centre of the paper . Then draw a 2inch square in the centre of the 4 inch square . Then a dot in the middle of the 2 inch square for an aiming mark . Then zero at 100 yards . If you carnt shoot with in the 4 inch square at 100 yards ,then you have a major problem .It really is simple . Harnser. Edited November 10, 2013 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Another vote for the Shoot n' See targets. This is one of mine-you can see the bullet strikes quite clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Totally agree mate...it's just bad practice and also shows a blatant lack of respect to say to someone starting out or advising them that a 3inch group is fine to start taking live quarry..as said 3inch soon becomes 4 or 5 inches with a bit of wind.... Absolute bunkum, a 3" group is perfectly acceptable for deer and as for wind surely one allows for that when aiming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Absolute bunkum, a 3" group is perfectly acceptable for deer and as for wind surely one allows for that when aiming. Well I wouldn't shoot any deer if my rifle was only throwing 3inch groups or foxes...and yes I've shot lots of deer..and 100s of foxes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Thanks guys, Just to clarify though; it's not seeing the results that's the problem, it's seeing the aiming point before firing. Say I have a solid 1" orange circle, it's plenty clear enough at 100yds but I'd say I'd struggle to hold the crosshairs within a 1/2" circle in its centre - not because I can't hold steady enough, simply because the cross covers so much of the circle that I can't tell! I've shot just under 1" groups so far but it's come to the point where I need to be more sure the shot went where I intended - so if it didn't, there's another reason. Perhaps upping the range would be the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Absolute bunkum, a 3" group is perfectly acceptable for deer and as for wind surely one allows for that when aiming. Charlie, this guy is talking about actually seeing the target and having a constant well defined aim point. However your comment is actually bunkum, if you are saying that some one who produces a 3" group from a stable position (as is being talked about here) is suitable to go out and shoot Deer, you are very wrong. The point of zeroing and practicing is to get as tight a group as possible, which will then make allowances for taking the shot in a stalking situation, which is not always going to be the stable position that they use whist zeroing or practicing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Fieldwanderer, try googeling "honeywell sportsman club" and have a look at there High Precision 2 Zone Rifle Grouping Target. Save it as a word document and change the colour of the squares and the centre dot to bright red then print them of, you will find that they are just great for what you want. I use them for working up my loads and they are just the job to give you a precise aim point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted November 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Thanks blunderbust, I'll have a look asap (on mobile at the moment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Thanks guys, Just to clarify though; it's not seeing the results that's the problem, it's seeing the aiming point before firing. Say I have a solid 1" orange circle, it's plenty clear enough at 100yds but I'd say I'd struggle to hold the crosshairs within a 1/2" circle in its centre - not because I can't hold steady enough, simply because the cross covers so much of the circle that I can't tell! I've shot just under 1" groups so far but it's come to the point where I need to be more sure the shot went where I intended - so if it didn't, there's another reason. Perhaps upping the range would be the answer? Time for a new scope with finer reticle I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Time for a new scope with finer reticle I'd say. Yep but after blowing over £2k on the rifle and with Christmas on the way, it's gonna have to wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Yep but after blowing over £2k on the rifle and with Christmas on the way, it's gonna have to wait Early Christmas present! If you need any shoot'n'see targets I've got a load of 1" ones your welcome to try a few sheets if you'd like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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