houlsby Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Applying for an fac for the missis this weekend. Only problem is, she has quite bad epilepsy and I'm unsure if it'll cause a problem? She has bi lateral, so it's both sides of the brain She has Pettit mals, (blanks or vacant s) a lot And once in a blue moon, a grand mal. (A drop) However. When I spoke to Mary at syp, she was unsure and couldn't give me an answer over the phone. So... Anyone living with epilepsy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I don't know. I'd speak to Basc pdq personally. Out of interest what does she want the FAC for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Difficult one that only an feo is likely to be able to answer. I take it she isn't allowed to drive? Good luck anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverhawk Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 It might help if u mention that she will be shooting with you at all times and not unaccompanied at any time. I do know of a case where someone was given a sgc but conditioned only to shoot while accompanied by another certificate holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I DO NOT KNOW THIS AT ALL BUT.... If it was controlled shooting on a range that MAY make a difference, but i wouldnt know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I DO NOT KNOW THIS AT ALL BUT.... If it was controlled shooting on a range that MAY make a difference, but i wouldnt know Target shooting where you have range officers etc I don't see any issue. Is it controlled by medication? I work with a guy who is epileptic but its well controlled he drives and works normally but doesn't have FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted November 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Yeh her drops are controlled by kepra (meds) but she still has blanks all the time. (They last seconds to mins. Looks like someone presses pause) The fac is for her to come shooting with me, she's felt the cold sexy steel of a 357 lbr tonight and wants one lol (I'm going to get her a .22lr and an fac first and take her out with me while we sort a club out for a pistol) I'm sure iv actually met someone on here with it before, I just can't remember who! So if you do get a pm please don't be offended! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 You have PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 You certainly need to be speaking to your shooting org on this one. The cops will fight shy of refusal unless they feel they have too, it could turn real bad if someone appealed under the disability discrimination act and won so the shooting orgs will be your best bet for evidence. Do you totally feel all will be fine with her? I once had to stop a guy from using certain machinery even though he said he was just fine because I witnessed one too many vacant wanderings, its not an easy one for the cops so respect that fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted November 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yeh she will be fine with the shooting, the only measures to take would be standing behind or within 2-3 paces I case she had a nodding dog moment. To the guy above, if he's been wandering while vacant, that's because his meds rant controlling it. He shouldn't have really been on site if he's still activly having seizures iirc? I'll give basc a ring later, we're sending off for her an ordinary fac first to save wasting money joining a club :-) Cheers guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 If she is going shooting with you every time why bother to get an FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yeh she will be fine with the shooting, the only measures to take would be standing behind or within 2-3 paces I case she had a nodding dog moment. To the guy above, if he's been wandering while vacant, that's because his meds rant controlling it. He shouldn't have really been on site if he's still activly having seizures iirc? I'll give basc a ring later, we're sending off for her an ordinary fac first to save wasting money joining a club :-) Cheers guys. The thing they may look at is if it happens at a loaded rifle a round could be sent over any backstop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yeh she will be fine with the shooting, the only measures to take would be standing behind or within 2-3 paces I case she had a nodding dog moment. Cheers guys. If that is the case then you should put that on the application and see if it is granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Yeh she will be fine with the shooting, the only measures to take would be standing behind or within 2-3 paces I case she had a nodding dog moment. To the guy above, if he's been wandering while vacant, that's because his meds rant controlling it. He shouldn't have really been on site if he's still activly having seizures iirc? I'll give basc a ring later, we're sending off for her an ordinary fac first to save wasting money joining a club :-) Cheers guys. They cannot grant an FAC without good reason - this means full member of a HO approved club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therealchucknorris Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Would be worth joining a local club together and then working your way through their probation period. The police always love to see this with any application but in this case it could be a good slug of evidence for you / your wife to show how you control these small incidents and how they don't pose an issue. If during the course of the probation you experience some incidents that do cause a concern then at least you won't have gone through the process and expense of getting the FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted November 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 They cannot grant an FAC without good reason - this means full member of a HO approved club Iv got an fac already, we will be applying for here using my permissions. (Full bore clearance by the bobbies.) to get her ticket, then the ranges won't be a problem (just literally come off the phone to someone about it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't want to upset you but my wife has Epilepsy and the last thing I would want in her hand is a firearm. Her fits are regular and normally follow the same pattern but sometimes she is totally beyond control and it can take 3 of us to stop her smashing the house ,or herself, to bits while she is completely unaware of her actions ( doctor took a reading of just over 200 beats/min of her heart) -the time during a fit is not the dangerous bit-its just prior to and this moment is nigh on impossible to spot. I wish you both the best of luck with your quest-look after her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 I don't want to upset you but my wife has Epilepsy and the last thing I would want in her hand is a firearm. Her fits are regular and normally follow the same pattern but sometimes she is totally beyond control and it can take 3 of us to stop her smashing the house ,or herself, to bits while she is completely unaware of her actions ( doctor took a reading of just over 200 beats/min of her heart) -the time during a fit is not the dangerous bit-its just prior to and this moment is nigh on impossible to spot. I wish you both the best of luck with your quest-look after her Took the words out my mouth sorry . Unless theirs no recent attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) I don't want to appear pessimistic but a man in our club developed epilepsy after major surgery and the police pulled his licence. It wasn't quite as straight forward as it might appear. Firstly, the BIG problem was the insurers of the range who said no way, he wasn't even allowed onto the premises in case he injured himself, a total over reaction. So he lost his good reason. As the range was insured through the NRA the same would have applied to most other ranges. He was personally insured by the same company and epilepsy has to be declared to any insurer. If they have an episode they lose legal possession of the firearm, so they can only shoot, and travel, with somebody who has that firearm on their FAC as well. In the case of a wife that could be easily arranged. The problem as far as I can see is not the police, its the insurance. but good luck, SGC may be less complicated Edited November 22, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) If she is going shooting with you every time why bother to get an FAC. I was thinking this. Does FAC work the same way as a SGC with the whole licence holder supervising etc. if it did, is there any need for her to apply Edited November 22, 2013 by Malik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted November 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 The law is, the person who owns the firearm and has it on their ticket is the only person to shoot it. (According to the range near us) so she needs her own. Cheers anyway guys. Big help this. Sending off her application and viewing a range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elby Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 How does an "estate rifle" work then? Anyone can use one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 I don't want to upset you but my wife has Epilepsy and the last thing I would want in her hand is a firearm. Her fits are regular and normally follow the same pattern but sometimes she is totally beyond control and it can take 3 of us to stop her smashing the house ,or herself, to bits while she is completely unaware of her actions ( doctor took a reading of just over 200 beats/min of her heart) -the time during a fit is not the dangerous bit-its just prior to and this moment is nigh on impossible to spot. I wish you both the best of luck with your quest-look after her i was thinking this but did not want to say anything , but i have epilesy with in our family ( not me ) drop epilepsy is the worst kind i think . 3 of my family members have died during fits and i really sympathise with you but after seeing what i,ve seen , i would really think hard about what you finally decide to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houlsby Posted November 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 How does an "estate rifle" work then? Anyone can use one of them Parrently, it's different. Not my argument, just stating what I was told. Like I said, her grand mals are sorted with meds. She just has blanks. Only dangerous if crossing the road/bathing/swimming/parachuting etc lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 23, 2013 Report Share Posted November 23, 2013 "Only dangerous if crossing the road" e.t.c.? Or having just been told to unload the gun because somebody is in front of the firing line? Or spotting that the last round is still up the spout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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