Mungler Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 its scum like that that are spoiling the benefits system for those who are really in need of it and suffer for idiots like the ones portrayed in this rubbish I will most defo not be watching any more episodes But it's a whole street and just like lots of other streets that look just like that one. My mate who is in the Old Bill said that anyone normal and with a job just won't see or go to the vast swathes of dumps inhabited by scummers and so won't believe that places and people like those we have seen tonight actually exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 if that got you steaming then the following program "living dolls" is gonna tip you over, this world is screwed. KW your not wrong there kd *** is the world coming to its got to be some kind of mind games for us NORMAL people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Can't believe it came as any surprise? It has been going on for years and isn't likely to change for the better anytime soon. Edited January 6, 2014 by old rooster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) But it's a whole street and just like lots of other streets that look just like that one. My mate who is in the Old Bill said that anyone normal and with a job just won't see or go to the vast swathes of dumps inhabited by scummers and so won't believe that places and people like those we have seen tonight actually exist. my point being is I have a niece who has VERY severe disabilities one of them being a terminal degenerative illness she is due into hospital in the next couple months for a massive spinal op and hip replacements at the same time she is only in her 30,s and she is having to fight tooth and nail to try and get her benefits reinstated and then you get **** bags like the main characters in that programme whingeing that they cant afford their smack and drink rant over calming down now and scratching my head wondering what planet these men on the "masking" programme are from Edited January 6, 2014 by hodge911 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byjovecarruthers Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 But it's a whole street and just like lots of other streets that look just like that one. My mate who is in the Old Bill said that anyone normal and with a job just won't see or go to the vast swathes of dumps inhabited by scummers and so won't believe that places and people like those we have seen tonight actually exist. Very true and really nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I'm going to post the same thing I posted in the other Benefits street thread. The Ideals behind the benefit system is about creating a minimum stranded of living.Taking benefits away would increase crime. If you want to see people get desperate, take away everything they have - To see real poverty in a first world country go to the US, there's a good reason you see tens of thousands of more homeless and entire neighborhoods that would make benefit street look like Mayfair.From a financial point of view which is cheaper? Stumping up £20k/pa in benefits to pay for some loser and his sprogs, and at least give his kids the smallest of chances of making something of themselves, or taking the benefits away and damming them all to be nothing but a massive financial burden on the taxpayer for the rest of their lives, and that of their children's children?Let's also remember that prison is rather expensive.It might seem unfair, and the system is nowhere near close to perfect, but I believe that it is the lesser of two evils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 The Ideals behind the benefit system is about creating a minimum stranded of living. That's all well and good Bleeh, but why does that minimum standard only apply to the unemployed? There are thousands of low paid employees who are, in reality, far worse off. Please explain how that works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) oh... and the're growing weed as well... no Romanians on Turners Street so far... growing weed in your spare bed room to pay the government the bed room tax with the proceeds of crime guess that implicates the benefits agency in a crime when they take the money Edited January 6, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) not watching it but the mrs just came in and mentioned it a guy walked into a premier in picked up the free magazines and sold them as big issue lol I actually thought that that was quite ingenious. Sat here with a smile on my face The women seem to dine well....why shoplifting in primark lol That's like "Harvey Nics" to the chavs Edited January 6, 2014 by shoot and be safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 It was shocking to watch this. Obviously Channel 4 on their usual sensationalist dribble, but the point remains that these 'people' who fiddle the benefits system and spend their days stealing and getting high on very potent drugs are a by product of government policy that either wants to buy votes and divert public opinion from the big picture (as Labour did) or,as the Torries do, see these modern peasants as a scarecrow and scapegoat (2 in 1) so they can have someone to 'punish' whilst they reward their millionaire friends and get busy padding each other on the back (have you seen this?) The truth of the matter remains that these people are hopeless either because they cannot be asked to move their posterior and work for a living, or because the system wants them like that. The education produces an ever increasing number of illiterates, the media sells stories about the mean and cunning foreigners, and the nazi parties like bnp and their comedian (but equally dangerous) cousin ukip gain strength by feeding on the working population's fears and ignorance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Let's also remember that prison is rather expensive. It might seem unfair, and the system is nowhere near close to perfect, but I believe that it is the lesser of two evils. remove benefits you will get 2 million serious criminals overnight unfortunately that will effect the tax payer alot as his homes is looted wont be just the prison cost to worry about. guess 3 meals and a bed in prison looks good when your freezing and hungry no deterant there unfortunately benefits do buy society some protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Sheen Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Just saw the absolute tool on there bragging about having over 200 offences on his record? What a worthless ****.The worst bit is he now goes acting like bobby big ******** because he got stabbed? Why oh why couldn't it have been fatal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) this 1 should be good for at least 10 pages i do love a novel seems you either go to work to pay the government or stay home and they pay you Edited January 6, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 So, we leave it alone because: 1. Otherwise we'll get burgled; and 2. It's a distraction from the bent politicians / big wigs who are at it again / always at it. I'm not convinced. There is a more simplistic approach that it's wrong for any society to give money to those who don't deserve it, don't want to work for it, don't want to live by the rules or who just want the money to buy booze / drugs. Is it sensationalist telly? Yes. But was it representative of other streets in other towns? I wouldn't know, but I fear yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euget123 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Ah how bad for them having money problems!must be terrible doin **** all for a living! Have often wondered would giant hamster wheels attached to generators work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 So, we leave it alone because: 1. Otherwise we'll get burgled; and 2. It's a distraction from the bent politicians / big wigs who are at it again / always at it. I'm not convinced. There is a more simplistic approach that it's wrong for any society to give money to those who don't deserve it, don't want to work for it, don't want to live by the rules or who just want the money to buy booze / drugs. Is it sensationalist telly? Yes. But was it representative of other streets in other towns? I wouldn't know, but I fear yes. Oh, I agree with you. The problem is that issues like that are very delicate, in the political sense mainly. I would have thought that a society that respects itself wants every single of its members to be a contributing unit and work for the benefit of the society as a whole. Offering benefits to people in exchange for work they carry out and benefits the rest of society (street/foreshore cleaning etc) is a brilliant idea. The problem is, do you believe these individuals would do a good job or even make an effort, or would they try to skive and do as little as possible and would find ways to circumvent any safety measures the government would put in place to police/enforce/encourage such a scheme? So what do you do with them once they refuse to actually work for their benefits? Punish them? How? Cut their benefits? OK. There is always selling drugs or their skinny a$$ for crack and booze. What about their insatiable appetite for procreation? Do you sterilize them? It is a perilous path and the answers to these questions are bound to be very very tricky... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 That's all well and good Bleeh, but why does that minimum standard only apply to the unemployed? There are thousands of low paid employees who are, in reality, far worse off. Please explain how that works? exactly....we would be better off on benefits tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) It was shocking to watch this. Obviously Channel 4 on their usual sensationalist dribble, but the point remains that these 'people' who fiddle the benefits system and spend their days stealing and getting high on very potent drugs are a by product of government policy that either wants to buy votes and divert public opinion from the big picture (as Labour did) or,as the Torries do, see these modern peasants as a scarecrow and scapegoat (2 in 1) so they can have someone to 'punish' whilst they reward their millionaire friends and get busy padding each other on the back (have you seen this?) The truth of the matter remains that these people are hopeless either because they cannot be asked to move their posterior and work for a living, or because the system wants them like that. The education produces an ever increasing number of illiterates, the media sells stories about the mean and cunning foreigners, and the nazi parties like bnp and their comedian (but equally dangerous) cousin ukip gain strength by feeding on the working population's fears and ignorance... Could you explain just what are the working population are ignorant of? Edited January 7, 2014 by fern01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 And I have nothing but admiration for you, for not going down that route. exactly....we would be better off on benefits tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Nice to see that the taxes I've paid and continued to pay for 44 years now are going to a good cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I watched a nostalgic programme about biscuits on BBC4. I find it's better to keep my blood pressure on an even keel and my head buried in the sand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 There is something to be said for Workhouses like in the Victorian days would be ideal for this type of scum . I don't mean living in squalor although they chose to now . I mean if you can't afford to make ends meet then be rehoused with your family and given work to put food on the table . You don't work you don't eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 No chance it's just more propoganda from the governbent designed to justify their latest round of benefit cuts is it? It's not like channel 4 is a non profit channel set up and ultimately controlled by the governbent is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 My FEO reads PW apparently. I hope yours doesn't. it would be an eye opener thats for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Several posts have been removed from this thread, this is a public forum, the majority of members are firearms owners - if you feel the need to post stupid comments about shooting people go and do it somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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