Mr. Merkel Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 The Telegraph is running a poll at the moment as to whether handguns should be legalized and licensed in the UK. If you have any views on this or just wanted to take park in the poll I have tried to put a link below, pass it on to other interested parties. Many thanks Tim http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10595087/Hand-guns-should-be-legalised-and-licensed-Nigel-Farage-has-said.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I tried but a window came up asking me to subscribe......used to use this page a lot and never seen that before.....I cannot use the page at all now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyh Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I've voted yes, but the no's are winning ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p@cman Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 60% - 40% against at the moment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Thing is they are still liscenced and legal, target shooting is no longer a valid reason for owning one, is the question really should target shooting be a valid reason to own one legally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 target shooting is no longer a valid reason for owning one, If this is correct what do applicants put down as 'good reason' nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 If this is correct what do applicants put down as 'good reason' nowadays? Humane dispatch for hand guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I need it to defend ma patch from da homies from da west sieede ,when day come ova to steal ma drugs n take ma biatches n ho's i need ma gloc to pop a cap in Dem west side boyz *****, init rus up blud clut ting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Can honestly say I have never come across a legally held gun used in crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Humane dispatch for hand guns Or personal protection depending on who you are and where you live, ex RUC/PSNI and Prison officers in NI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Humane dispatch for hand guns What do all those people who buy LBR or LBP put down as their 'good reason' then? If they are not classed as handguns what are they classed as? Can honestly say I have never come across a legally held gun used in crime. Eh? Do you mean on a personal level? Are you in the Police? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 What do all those people who buy LBR or LBP put down as their 'good reason' then? If they are not classed as handguns what are they classed as? Not pistols as they are so long they are rifles................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Not pistols as they are so long they are rifles................ So they are officially classed as rifles in firearms law? Edited January 27, 2014 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) They are a grey area IIRC https://www.shootingshow.co.uk/Go-Shooting-Pistols.html explains it better. Definition of a pistol under UK law UK law defines a pistol as a gun with a barrel shorter than 30cms and a total overall length of less than60cms. This includes revolvers, semi-autos, single shot and in fact ANY pistol regardless of the number of shots that can be fired before reloading. Prohibited pistolsIncludes any pistol within the dimensions stated above, that fires self contained "cartridge type" ammunition.Legal or non-prohibited pistolsInclude "long barrelled" cartridge firing revolvers (see below), Single shot "long barrelled" cartridge firing pistols, "long barrelled" semi auto "pistols" in .22 calibre ONLY (see below), muzzle loading pistols with barrels LESS than 30cm and less than 60cm total pistol length, and air pistols that produce less than 6ft lbs of power. UK LEGAL "LONG BARRELLED" PISTOLS, REVOLVERS & MUZZLE LOADING PISTOLSYou will need a Section 1 Firearms Certificate to aquire, posses & shoot a UK legal specification pistol, except air pistols where a licence is not required. Edited January 27, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Many thanks, but no mention of rifles there, just pistols, including LBP or LBR, and no mention of section 5.So what 'good reason' do applicants for pistols have if not humane despatch or target shooting? Edited January 27, 2014 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 The point is the law defines a pistol in a certain way those not meeting that criteria are not a pistol, as such LBR and muzzle loaders are not "pistols" and are legal for target shooting in england and wales (i think scotland also) on section 1. Humane despatch is the other criteria and covered on section 1, section 5 is a whole different world as is police, military use which needs no FAC. How you justify a section 5 permit as other than a specialist dealer/gunsmith i dont know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 In this case, I believe a section 5 weapon may be acquired (under very strict controls on storage and use) if it is an "historically important weapon", A few people I know have them but they are held in RFD's safes, and used only on their premises. Just another available avenue for ownership - not really practical. I signed and the yes's are still in a minority. I really liked Keith Vas's explanation that more legal gun ownership and use would give a 'green light' to greater criminal use of guns. What a total and utter ***** , does he rely only on his benighted opinion and never read any stats - ok no need to answer. P.S. is the poor English in the article intended to give the impression that the Leader of UKIP is illiterate ? Well it is the teleglarf and a bit blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I think the vote is rigged as I have voted on 3 different pc,s and if you do yes it don't log it watch the counter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyh Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Can honestly say I have never come across a legally held gun used in crime. What about Dunblane or County Durham or Hungerford then ? The Police may have been rubbish at their jobs,but the Guns were legaly held with all paperwork being in order. Edited January 28, 2014 by mickyh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 The point is the law defines a pistol in a certain way those not meeting that criteria are not a pistol, as such LBR and muzzle loaders are not "pistols" and are legal for target shooting in england and wales (i think scotland also) on section 1 I'm even more confused now! What you have stated above is in direct contradiction to the quote you posted in post 14.....'Legal or non-prohibited pistols include 'long barrelled cartridge firing revolvers etc etc'. It states that LBP and LBR are in fact pistols; or have I missed something? If this is so then doesn't that mean that 'target shooting' is deemed 'good reason'. I'm not trying to pick an argument it's just that I keep hearing people state that you cannot own a pistol/handgun for target shooting, but for the life of me cannot think of another reason to possess them if not for target shooting. I know of one or two folk who have pistols for humane despatch but they aren't long barrelled jobbies, so what reason do those who have LBR have for having them? Perhaps someone who actually owns one could post what they put down as good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 What about Dunblane or County Durham or Hungerford then ? The Police may have been rubbish at their jobs,but the Guns were legaly held with all paperwork being in order. With respect, some people were incompetent in their assessment of these 3 people, other officers pointed out the mistakes but were overruled and in each case a very, very rare event 'switched' them to act in this manner,. You might wish to reconsider your all encompassing criticism of the police. Mistakes were made but they, although wrong, would never have expected the consequence, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyh Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 My post was in reply to a stupid statement,and I stand by it. I have no argument with you,but I dont think 'Not to expect a consequence' would stand up in court. People with mental health problems owning guns is never going to end well is it? And the Police dont have a very good track record with honesty do they,Plebgate,Hillsbough (I could make a massive list). So again,its us that suffer,the law abiding folk who dont break the law and do everything we are asked. All those dead people and Children - because they are the loosers here. 100's of1000's of pounds worth of guns crushed and melted down because 'some people were incompetent' at the jobs they were paid to do ! Disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I dont see a need for the general public to have hand guns. Possibly allow gun clubs to hold them for target practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBeaky Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I dont see a need for the general public to have hand guns. Possibly allow gun clubs to hold them for target practice. So as to create a one-stop shop for gun thieves?And why shouldn't law-abiding citizens own pistols? Because you don't want one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyh Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 So as to create a one-stop shop for gun thieves? And why shouldn't law-abiding citizens own pistols? Because you don't want one? + 1 And also its an ownership type of thing. Stripping cleaning and holding and just looking at the engineering. Ever held a Purdey or a Woodward or Boss ? Bit like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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