flynny Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Tragic just tragic, it sends a shiver down my spine just thinking about leaving a dog in the same room as a 10 month old child, The owners are uneducated mindless bints, " oh look love, the dog loves the baby , it's fine with her aww look it wants to have a look in the pram/ cot" I'm out, it makes my blood boil, Poor bleddy kid, Atb Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 How many children are killed by their parents every year? Just saying... It should probably be pointed out that there are many more children with parents in the house than children with bull terriers on the house......and banning parents may be a bit extreme. A rare occasion, but I agree with kw, you can blame the owners all you like but the dogs do the damage because that is what they were designed for, in the same way a collie will naturally try to round up family members, or a German Shepard will naturally defend properties. These dogs proportionally cause more problems than, say, spaniels. Plus I don't understand the point of having a dog that you can't relax with, get near kids, other dogs or leave alone with other people. Sound like hard work for a pet, unless it works in some way that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's about responsible ownership not breed. I own two Staffordshire bull terriers not because I want to look hard or frighten off dealers but because there one of the most rewarding breeds I've ever had the pleasure of coming into contact with. There is a tiny majority of idiots that train dogs to be nasty or don't train them at all leading to them been nasty. A blanket ban would be unfair on thousands of responsible owners like myself who love bull type breeds for the right reasons. A blanket ban on breeds is no better than a ban on guns next time some loon goes on the rampage, they will always find a different weapon of choice weather it be Rottweiler, Doberman, German Shepard, staffy, pittbull type. Hundreds of children are killed a year by cars but a ban on cars will never happen. Tougher sentences are what's needed, if mum left baby with a dog and savages it then for me it's manslaughter, if some dealer has a savage dog then throw some sort of deadly weapons charge at him. If you make the punishment severe people will think twice and not want to take the risk. We've recently had twins, ones still in hospital at the minute, both my staffys absolutely dote on my daughter and I trust them implicitly but they'll never be left unattended with her or my son when he's home. All it takes is a finger in the eye and any dog could turn. Terrible and avoidable tragedy, I hope they punish the owner/parent. A very sensible post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Tragic just tragic, it sends a shiver down my spine just thinking about leaving a dog in the same room as a 10 month old child, The owners are uneducated mindless bints, " oh look love, the dog loves the baby , it's fine with her aww look it wants to have a look in the pram/ cot" I'm out, it makes my blood boil, Poor bleddy kid, Atb Flynny How do you know anything about the family? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 A very sensible post. Not often I get the word sensible attributed to me, thank you. It's something I feel strongly about as I've lived with large mastiff breeds and owned staffy's and know in the right hands are fantastic pets and are as safe as any other breed. I would think people in the shooting community of all places would know the dangers of tarring everyone with the same brush and blanket bans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It should probably be pointed out that there are many more children with parents in the house than children with bull terriers on the house......and banning parents may be a bit extreme. The point im making is thats life.People die every minute of every day-some traumatic some not,but it still happens all the same.Its not nice when a life is cut short,but unless you're going to ban everything which can inflict pain or death from a pencil to guns-it will still happen.How many people are hurt and killed from horses or cattle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 The dog does the damage but the parents as the responsible adults in the house should never have left the two alone, in my mind they have failed and neglected the poor child. What we need here is a trailblazing jail sentence to put out the message that this sort of inept parenting will not be tolerated. Any parent that trusts a dog or come to think of it, any animal with a young child is tossing a hand grenade without the pin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It seems it was one of the banned breads and the child’s mother and partner are facing manslaughter charges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I have owned 4 GSDs and 3 Akitas. All were very large. They were kept away from children and they were never left alone with an adult who wasn't family. You trust a dog at your peril. Sadly, it is normally those who cannot defend themselves who pay the price for stupid owners rather than the owners. Dog licences will be trotted out again - about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. If owners are found to be a fault, there should be a prosecution and suitably heavy, deterrent sentence. PS - if dogs that could kill were banned - no-one on here etc. would own one. They can all kill. A very intelligent and valid perspective on the subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's about responsible ownership not breed. I own two Staffordshire bull terriers not because I want to look hard or frighten off dealers but because there one of the most rewarding breeds I've ever had the pleasure of coming into contact with. There is a tiny majority of idiots that train dogs to be nasty or don't train them at all leading to them been nasty. A blanket ban would be unfair on thousands of responsible owners like myself who love bull type breeds for the right reasons. A blanket ban on breeds is no better than a ban on guns next time some loon goes on the rampage, they will always find a different weapon of choice weather it be Rottweiler, Doberman, German Shepard, staffy, pittbull type. Hundreds of children are killed a year by cars but a ban on cars will never happen. Tougher sentences are what's needed, if mum left baby with a dog and savages it then for me it's manslaughter, if some dealer has a savage dog then throw some sort of deadly weapons charge at him. If you make the punishment severe people will think twice and not want to take the risk. We've recently had twins, ones still in hospital at the minute, both my staffys absolutely dote on my daughter and I trust them implicitly but they'll never be left unattended with her or my son when he's home. All it takes is a finger in the eye and any dog could turn. Terrible and avoidable tragedy, I hope they punish the owner/parent. Another who knows what he's talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpentermark Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Time for dog licensing to come back me thinks, that way if you can afford it and are willing to go through the process i.e record checks, home visits etc then fine, i think it would weed out most of the scum with a couple of hundred quid to spare. Also think there should be restrictions on owning certain (fighting) breeds ie same as gun ownership no criminal record etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 A dog licence is a complete non starter. Who would buy a licence ? those who care. Who would police it ? the police don't want to know about fox hunting, do you think they would give any kind of precedence to dog ownership ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Time for dog licensing to come back me thinks, that way if you can afford it and are willing to go through the process i.e record checks, home visits etc then fine, i think it would weed out most of the scum with a couple of hundred quid to spare. Also think there should be restrictions on owning certain (fighting) breeds ie same as gun ownership no criminal record etc. Something should be done, I agree you can't necessarily blame a breed. But certain breeds are undeniably a magnet for halfwits. And given the physical nature of these breeds it makes the potential overall risk increase more than it would say if they considered a Yorkie as a status dog . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 A yorkie could have killed the child under similar circumstances . Dogs, whatever the breed, react to stimuli just as foxes do. You can squeak in a fox as it thinks it's got an easy meal, similarly a child crying out can bring out, in any dog, that stimuli that there is any easy kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 How do you know anything about the family? I don't pal, but I do know that you don't leave a baby on its own with any animal, ie, they are uneducated bints, So get off your high horse, Atb Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neillfrbs Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 It's about responsible ownership not breed. I own two Staffordshire bull terriers not because I want to look hard or frighten off dealers but because there one of the most rewarding breeds I've ever had the pleasure of coming into contact with. There is a tiny majority of idiots that train dogs to be nasty or don't train them at all leading to them been nasty. A blanket ban would be unfair on thousands of responsible owners like myself who love bull type breeds for the right reasons. A blanket ban on breeds is no better than a ban on guns next time some loon goes on the rampage, they will always find a different weapon of choice weather it be Rottweiler, Doberman, German Shepard, staffy, pittbull type. Hundreds of children are killed a year by cars but a ban on cars will never happen. Tougher sentences are what's needed, if mum left baby with a dog and savages it then for me it's manslaughter, if some dealer has a savage dog then throw some sort of deadly weapons charge at him. If you make the punishment severe people will think twice and not want to take the risk. We've recently had twins, ones still in hospital at the minute, both my staffys absolutely dote on my daughter and I trust them implicitly but they'll never be left unattended with her or my son when he's home. All it takes is a finger in the eye and any dog could turn. Terrible and avoidable tragedy, I hope they punish the owner/parent. we had a blanket ban on hand guns because of two nutters ,how many more kids have to die because of utter ***** keeping fighting dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) I am not sure that the bread of the dog is the problem, any dog would be capable of killing a child. I would not leave any dog alone with a child. A dog licence is a complete non starter. Who would buy a licence ? those who care. Who would police it ? the police don't want to know about fox hunting, do you think they would give any kind of precedence to dog ownership ? They have them in N Ireland, and most buy licences, if you don't have a licence the dog can be taken of you. If you do not have a valid licenceKeeping a dog without a valid licence may result in: a warning a formal caution a fixed penalty or prosecution a fine of up to £1,000 It is also an offence to take possession of a dog (whether you paid for it or not) before you have obtained a licence for it. You can be prosecuted for this offence and may be liable to a maximum fine of £1,000. The person who gave or sold you the dog is also guilty of an offence Edited February 11, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Not often I get the word sensible attributed to me, thank you. It's something I feel strongly about as I've lived with large mastiff breeds and owned staffy's and know in the right hands are fantastic pets and are as safe as any other breed. I would think people in the shooting community of all places would know the dangers of tarring everyone with the same brush and blanket bans. well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Do you really think that tougher sentencing is going to be more of a deterrent than having your child mauled to death ? I don't think so. Education is the key, people need to know that "flopsy" is in fact a well armed carnivore, not a cuddly toy. I have two dogs, they love to snuggle up with the Mrs, they love strokes and ball play, but I have put up high wire fences so that they cannot leave the property and they are never, ever, left in the company of strange adults or any children at all. Edited February 11, 2014 by Catweazle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neillfrbs Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 its always the same breeds,doing the damage ,all these types of dog are breed for one thing fighting ,some ,most are nice family pets ,BUT if they turn then here lies the problem, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) Catweazle - fair point, but I suspect that these morons will never learn. Dogs which have killed come from many, many breeds - so not always the same. Edited February 11, 2014 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontbeck Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 The point is any breed can turn, education is the way forward but some are incapable of being educated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0850 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 A very intelligent and valid perspective on the subject Couldn't agree more, my uncle bred Pedigree Doberman and exhibited at crufts but he wouldn't leave them unattended or trust them alone with anyone except himself or my aunt. Our sheepdogs are soft with me and the mrs, would I trust one with a bairn? Would I ****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footu Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 (edited) are as safe as any other breed No they are not.they can be deadly, which is rarely said about handbag dogs for example. Just because you like/want one should not be reason enough to own one. I quite like big machine guns but can't get a fac on that basis. I think any known fighting breed or cross should be banned.period. Edited February 11, 2014 by Footu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I know a certain type of person is drawn to certain breeds but surely this alone can't explain why fatal attacks are always by bull breeds, rotties, mastiffs etc. Logically and empirically those breeds are proportionately more dangerous than other breeds, that is surely a fact no one can deny - other large breeds just don't do that. 99% of dogs of all breeds will be safe and fine most of the time, and some of the blame should be taken by the owners for their failures, but of the 1% that do go crazy and attack it is the bull/mastiff/rotties etc that are capable of killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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