Twistedsanity Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Bad owners! I trust my 8 year old GSD bitch and have a 6 month old baby girl, despite my trust in her, her good temperament , owning her for 8 years and being around the breed for most of my life in addition to a huge conscious effort of not making her feel left out or treating her differently since the baby has arrived I would still never take the risk of leaving her unattended with the baby , this is because I'm not stupid ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Very sad and so soon after the last one. Its a fact that the majority of attacks have been carried out by pit / bull type breeds but to be honest I think the main reason for that is that these types seem to appeal to the half wit wannabe gangsta types among us as status symbols , they are never raised to be loving family pets , and the potential for harm is far greater when they go off the rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Bad owners! I trust my 8 year old GSD bitch and have a 6 month old baby girl, despite my trust in her, her good temperament , owning her for 8 years and being around the breed for most of my life in addition to a huge conscious effort of not making her feel left out or treating her differently since the baby has arrived I would still never take the risk of leaving her unattended with the baby , this is because I'm not stupid ! If only all owners were so sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Very sad and so soon after the last one. Its a fact that the majority of attacks have been carried out by pit / bull type breeds but to be honest I think the main reason for that is that these types seem to appeal to the half wit wannabe gangsta types among us as status symbols , they are never raised to be loving family pets , and the potential for harm is far greater when they go off the rails. The first thing a PPD needs is total controllability, anything with the word terrier in its name forget that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Just caught the tail end of the J. Vine preview and I think he stated they were debating dog breeds in relation to dog attacks. Like I said, just caught tail end so may be wrong. Those with an interest may want to listen in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I have to say this dog might not be aggressive though, do they see a baby the same way they see us humans? I imagine a dog might approach a baby the way it would approach any other animal, with curiosity at first and it's prey drive could easily be triggered the same way it is with a squeaky toy or a cat? I wonder if things would have been different if the dog had been brought home after the baby was in the house. My lab is great around kids etc but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him with a baby and he isn't allowed to play with the kids unsupervised, not because I think he will attack a child but because he is a very powerful dog who gets easily excited and could hurt them by accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Sensational reporting Went to the newsagents this a.m. and there on the counter was a pile of the Sun newspaper with the headline "Dog ate my babies head" In view of the grief the parents must feel is this the right kind of 'journalism' Everyone knows the attack must have been horrendous, we do not need some idiot reporter backed by his/her editor to tell us the gory details, the parents must have been devastated even more if they have seen that headline. It is callous, uncaring and insensitive. Seems some of the press have not learned from the various scandals of late. Thankfully I do not buy that rag. 9 months in the making 6 days on the planet and an eternity with the angels, Rip little girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Sensational reporting Went to the newsagents this a.m. and there on the counter was a pile of the Sun newspaper with the headline "Dog ate my babies head" In view of the grief the parents must feel is this the right kind of 'journalism' Everyone knows the attack must have been horrendous, we do not need some idiot reporter backed by his/her editor to tell us the gory details, the parents must have been devastated even more if they have seen that headline. It is callous, uncaring and insensitive. Seems some of the press have not learned from the various scandals of late. Thankfully I do not buy that rag. 9 months in the making 6 days on the planet and an eternity with the angels, Rip little girl. perhaps the headline was based on fact or is that "bad journalism" plenty of other "rags" reported that the mother WAS screaming the dogs eaten my babies head, not nice at all, but how often do we whinge that the "news" / facts are suppressed, or is it simply news that owners of dangerous designer dogs dont want to hear. KW Edited February 19, 2014 by kdubya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 It is callous, uncaring and insensitive. Just some of the lesser adjectives that spring to mind in relation to the parents. No-one would want a parent to lose a child, but anyone who leaves a dog alone with them else runs that risk. My sympathies lie with the child not the parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Heard about this earlier, terrible news! So, what can be done to stop this happening again? NOTHING even remotely feasible unfortunately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice cushie shooter Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The s*n. Pah not even a paper horrible journalism. Never read it never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant Feeder Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I might be wrong but in my opinion, the problem is that many people select dogs on what they look like, or what image they portray, rather than taking into consideration what the dog was originally bred for. Many dogs are of a working type and require stimulation and plenty of exercise. The number of times that I meet people who expect that my springer will be a nightmare and bouncing off the walls is unbelievable. He is only 20 months but gets plenty of mental stimulation in the form of training (like most of us on here would) and subsequently is chilled and relaxed in the house. This leads me to think there must be plenty of springer's who are climbing the walls with frustration due to lack of work. In many but not all the cases over recent times the dogs have been the type that require plenty of exercise or work, owned by people who are to put it mildly not the brightest, living in an urban area. Dogs of this nature require someone who is willing to spend time with them, and has the skill to channel their energies and provide an environment in which the dog can run free. With many dog owners, like in other aspects in life, people have lost the skill and experience that once was common place. People humanise dogs, and expect human values to transfer to their canine companions. How many times do you see people being dragged along by their dog on a lead (usually with a harness on), all for the want of some basic training. It is my belief that most if not all dogs have a purpose, and if the dog is matched to its intended purpose incidents like we have seen would be greatly reduced if not all but eliminated. Some dogs are naturally territorial and aggressive, ideal for guarding premises, others are naturally suited to herding and as such used by shepherds etc. Its when dogs are seen as a status symbol or as is now often the case used as an offensive weapon by the local dealer, that problems start to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Labs and Collies are just as likely to bit a person as any other dog. this is true but it has to be said they are less likely to kill than some other breeds but having said that the victim was 6 days old so any breed would have been capable of it in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Pheasant Feeder - a thoughtful and quite accurate post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 this is true but it has to be said they are less likely to kill than some other breeds but having said that the victim was 6 days old so any breed would have been capable of it in this case Don't bet on it, Labs were dropped as a duel purpose dog by many a police and military org. Strangely because once you get them to bite they are reputedly very hard to stop. I got this info from a guy with much experience in PPD work and gundogs. Collies get too keen at whatever you task them with. At the last Hodder Valley show one of the display team took a bite to the body from a PP trained collie, it was sent to jump through a hoop or something (unfortunately he had been standing as the victim in a PPD display it was part of earlier). One of our countrys top gundog trainers keeps PPD's in mostly GSDs from another specialist kennel when the chaps away, he said to me "the nice thing is these dogs let you know if they don't like you at the door"," yet Labs tend to wag their tails at the door and then bite you once you go inside kennel!". Don't underestimate how hard a lab can bite either, you want to watch one with a shin bone from a cow (those necks and well aligned jaws can do more than carry a big goose if the will is there). I don't think it is in the slightest way possible to prevent these happenings by breed itself only by breeding more selectively within a breed, still this will only mitigate things because we (the human race) are the biggest problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Off topic but I was bitten by my Labrador on the ankle by accident when he was playing with something, sweet jesus it hurt so much I nearly hit the roof. After watching him smash his way through beef bones it's quite an eye opener to see the power they have. Edited February 20, 2014 by Nikk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Off topic but I was bitten by my Labrador on the ankle by accident when he was playing with something, sweet jesus it hurt so much I nearly hit the roof. After watching him smash his way through beef bones it's quite an eye opener to see the power they have. Yes it is, I consulted the vet because mine will bite trough branches as thick as a blokes fingers more effective than you might cut them with secateurs to get at a retrieve in cover a single snip is all it takes. I wanted to know if there was something unusual about his tooth alignment etc I had missed, she said not just that he was a fit strong dog with obviously good teeth. I haven't seen a dog do that before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 true labs are strong dogs but as far as i know wernt breed for fighting so the mentality may be less prone to serious aggression but im not saying it couldnt happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 All breeds can be aggressive. The malamute in this case is not considered one of the aggressive breeds just like labs and the rest of them. The breed is irrelevant in this particular case. What is relevant is the fact that all dogs have prey drive, and any breed can kill a baby. Temperament is an issue with dogs at the moment because of the way they're being bred for money, less consideration is paid to the temperament of the sire and Dam and it is suggested that because of that the fashionable breeds like staffies are more susceptible to being born with the wrong temperament. It was explained to me that the increase in popularity of the type of dogs you are talking about and the increasing amount of the bad ones being abandoned, then re-homed and then breed from has added a worse temperament in to their gene pool. I'm no expert but I feel there must be some truth to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 crack on many breeders might not even know much about the temperament of their stock or be honest about it when cash is involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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