delburt0 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Just read this I don't think it's been done on p/w This is the first example of a court case of using lead shot for wildfowl I have seen. After reading this story I feel quite sorry for the fella as well as the swan, as I think it was just a genuine mistake that could unfortunately happen to any of us. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/member-of-shooting-syndicate-blasted-swan-dead-1-3385642 Edited February 20, 2014 by delburt0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 That prosecution was in May 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neillfrbs Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 if you can mistake a swan for a goose ,perhaps he should take up golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 We are behind with the times in Barnsley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatherandSon Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Who does the £15 victim surcharge go to? The dead Swan?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Who does the £15 victim surcharge go to? The dead Swan?? Auntie Liz, the lady with the big house in London! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbw1shrops Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Well done TC lol 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Who does the £15 victim surcharge go to? The dead Swan?? Auntie Liz, the lady with the big house in London! Yeah, an old story but I had missed that part historically...... I guess Liz needed specialist counselling after the outrage! Edited February 20, 2014 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Swan / goose . Oh my god how can you not spot the difference in colour, size , how they fly , the noise they make On another note I'm surprised they took it to a vet ? and told the world about it if you can mistake a swan for a goose ,perhaps he should take up golf. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/166919-prosecuted-for-not-using-non-toxic/?hl=%2Bswan+%2Bshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 i am in a similar position to this guy in that i am an inexpieneced shotgun shooter, only having my license 18 months ago. this year was my first wildfowling season so i am not yet experienced in identifying wildfowl so if i am not sure i dont shoot and have missed quite a few legal opertunities due to it, but one thing i do find easy as there are a few on our grounds is telling a goose from a swan... also using lead shot... i have no sympathy for this shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So he was on a game shoot.meaning he would have been using a shot size of 5 or 6.also lead shot.maybe 30-32 gram.i doubt he cared if it was goose or swan.deserved all he got.have a little respect for the animals you are shooting and use the correct equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So he was on a game shoot.meaning he would have been using a shot size of 5 or 6.also lead shot.maybe 30-32 gram.i doubt he cared if it was goose or swan.deserved all he got.have a little respect for the animals you are shooting and use the correct equipment. There are very few people who have been shooting for more than 5 minutes that have not made a mistake. We seem to get all righteous when it is someone else, make no mistake, I am not defending the guy, but this whole case seems rather daft to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Not being righteous at all.he was out pheasant shooting.so would hope he was geared for that.novice or professional if any doubt do not take the shot.if am am in the yard shooting rats with air rifle and a fox passes by I dont fire one off at him.mistakes-ignorance makes bad publicity if you take up shooting then take the time to learn the rules.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I know its going of subject a bit but,do wildfowlers have to pass flight recognition tests and species recognition before being allowed to joint a wildfowl club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus1988 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I know its going of subject a bit but,do wildfowlers have to pass flight recognition tests and species recognition before being allowed to joint a wildfowl club. Certain clubs do, pretty sure the Gloucestershire Wildfowlers have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmyman Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I know its going of subject a bit but,do wildfowlers have to pass flight recognition tests and species recognition before being allowed to joint a wildfowl club. They do if they want to join my local club. I'ts fairiy standard practice today as it helps with indemnity issues for the relevant club. Regards remmyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castletyne Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I gather he didn't have many mates in his syndicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Whenever i am game shooting you always hear people joking "oooh that one was a bit low" mostly its just banter. But because of it, if there is ever any doubt in my mind i don't pull the trigger, which has caused me to miss out probably hundreds of times on good birds, but i always maintain, I'd sooner explain to someone why i didn't shoot at something, than as to why i did. Reminder to myself to buy some non toxic for the season again, just used up my last TMX on crows.. .. no lead shot on wildfowl.. fairly standard practice.. if annoyingly more expensive. Edited February 21, 2014 by demonwolf444 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 no course or exam with my club either, as usual in most clubs i had to be mentored through my first season and mine is an excellent teacher, not just showing but explaining along the way. i would have been lost through my first year of fowling without him. as demonwolf said and i think i said earlier in this thread if im in any doubt i dont pull the trigger, i wont say i havent lifted or started to lift my gun but i have always stopped and have missed many a chance on legal quarry due to my lack of experience holding me back. non toxic is a financial downside of fowling but its part of the sport.. theres no excuse for not using it.. my bag only has steel shot in when i go fowling (im WAY to tight for any other non toxic load) and if i go to a farm where i know theres a pond i find it good practice to do the same,,, in many walks of life im far from an angel but in one where im a newcommer i do think its best to religiously follow the rule book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Chichester wildfowlers has a one year mentored introduction, you cannot shoot without a full member. At the end of that is a practical exam consisting of bird recognition, around 40 birds on cards that you need to name, and a large board of mounted birds/heads/wings/complete that you also need to be able to identify, followed by an interview type of exam where you are asked about rules/regulations and boundaries etc. It was quite stressful, but they are a particularly visible bunch as its a very busy harbour, it's rare that you get out and don't see dog walkers etc, so I guess they need you to be really on top of your game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delburt0 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 That's one very sensible approach even though daunting to a newcomer .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) I gather he didn't have many mates in his syndicate My guess is he left his first one after a season (wonder why?) missed a season (wonder why?), then bought into another one and hey presto........... In an interview with North Yorkshire Police, Quince said he had been shooting for three years. In his first year he went to local shoots for woodcock, pheasant and duck, and while he did not shoot during the second year, he then joined the Spellow Grange syndicate. Quince had paid about £2,000 to be involved in the syndicate which allowed him 10 days shooting a year, although he had been making his first visit and had now been “dismissed” from the shoot. What i dont get is as a swan isnt legal quarry why throw the lead charge at him? I wonder who took the swan to the vet The court heard that Quince realised immediately something was wrong and put his gun away before the swan was taken to a vet in Boroughbridge. However, the bird was found to be too badly injured to save and was put down. Doesnt read like it was him.... Edited February 21, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Was there any repercussions for the shoot captain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Why should there be, as dekers said most people who have shot a while have had accidents. A fair few people on here will know about a similar but somewhat worse incident locally. That just got cleared up quietly as this should have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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