HW682 Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 It could depend what conditions are on your FAC. From what I can read on a my FAC magazines have to be unloaded. An interesting post. Also the underlying laws in N.I might be different anyway? (My comments have all been based on current laws on the mainland. Maybe should try and remember that we have members from all over) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted April 12, 2014 Report Share Posted April 12, 2014 Bit difficult hiding the fact when your rifle is leaning up against the bar and your pearl handled sixguns are hanging from your waist ! Don't laugh this is what I used to do 25 years ago I was employed with Lincolnshire police when not working on a Friday night myself and another officer used to go foxing if we had been successfull we used to come back to the police club for a pint around 10pm the rifles stood in cases behind the bar much safer than in the car Deershooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 don't think it's legal as when I bought my .177 co2 air pistol the shop owner said that having pellets in the magazine, even when not in the gun, counts as the gun being loaded and therefore illegal And he is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 For all it takes to unload a magazine I would just take it to the safest and least contentious level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 I only have a 25 shot mag for my lr which feels like forever trying to load it up My shooting on a couple of farms actually needs the gun ready as you pull in the gate honestly. It's where the pests are . I Remember it's illegal to carry a Stanley knife in your van door unless at work but I still do and will carry on doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Aside from the fact there's no actual need to have them hanging off you whilst in the pub. No need to show off the fact you've just been shooting. Pocket or a bag is fine for your bolt & ammo but having it on display is a potential hassle / security risk that isn't recommended. C'mon.... Did you not detect a little bit of flippancy in the post...Was illustrating that it perfectly fine to be out and about with a magazine.... I personally like to take some to yoga lessons Edited April 13, 2014 by happypig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Don't laugh this is what I used to do 25 years ago I was employed with Lincolnshire police when not working on a Friday night myself and another officer used to go foxing if we had been successfull we used to come back to the police club for a pint around 10pm the rifles stood in cases behind the bar much safer than in the car Deershooter Still happens. On the odd occasion I have a sandwich and a pint for lunch and, as you say, rather than leave a rifle in the Gator I take it in the pub with me. Think I'd draw the line at doing it in Harlden though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 It is classed as a loaded rifle in Law. Important for PCP air gunners particularly to remember this especially (with those fiddly little mags) as its a loaded rifle in a public place , the fact its not fitted to the gun is irrelevant wow,that makes no sense to me.......I live & learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 wow,that makes no sense to me.......I live & learn. As long as you don't learn the little gem of balderdash you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Much as it pains me to admit it, I have to agree with everything Kent has said. A loaded magazine is considered to be a loaded firearm. I can't see there'd be a problem moving from field to field but travelling to and from your shooting would be hard to justify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Still happens. On the odd occasion I have a sandwich and a pint for lunch and, as you say, rather than leave a rifle in the Gator I take it in the pub with me. Think I'd draw the line at doing it in Harlden though I always take my guns in the pub if I go for a pint after shooting. It's not unusual around where I love though. As long as you don't learn the little gem of balderdash you quoted. You know what Charlie, I DO recall reading this somewhere, whether it was a legal detail, I don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Much as it pains me to admit it, I have to agree with everything Kent has said. A loaded magazine is considered to be a loaded firearm. I can't see there'd be a problem moving from field to field but travelling to and from your shooting would be hard to justify. +1 - I hope it's not infectious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Much as it pains me to admit it, I have to agree with everything Kent has said. A loaded magazine is considered to be a loaded firearm. I can't see there'd be a problem moving from field to field but travelling to and from your shooting would be hard to justify. How can a loaded magazine be considered to be a loaded firearm,when the definition of a fire arm is clearly stated. The term firearm is defined as a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Edit to add http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/57 Your reference of section 6 (b) does not tally with the link? My reading of the act is: 19 Carrying firearm in a public place. A person commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the proof whereof lies on him) he has with him in a public place [F1(a)a loaded shot gun, (b)an air weapon (whether loaded or not), ©any other firearm (whether loaded or not) together with ammunition suitable for use in that firearm, or (d)an imitation firearm.] So it makes NO difference carrying a firearm in a public place with ammo in a magazine, in a box or one up the spout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truflex Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 It could depend what conditions are on your FAC. From what I can read on a my FAC magazines have to be unloaded. Where does it say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 How can a loaded magazine be considered to be a loaded firearm,when the definition of a fire arm is clearly stated. The term firearm is defined as a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged Moderators are classed as firearms so maybe loaded mags are too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Moderators are classed as firearms so maybe loaded mags are too ? That is because under the description of a firearm they fall under the last bit of the description as the shot bullet or missile is discharged through them,something that a magazine is incapable of doing Edited April 13, 2014 by welsh1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 ordnance, on 12 Apr 2014 - 2:57 PM, said: It could depend what conditions are on your FAC. From what I can read on a my FAC magazines have to be unloaded. Where does it say that? It says it on mine yours might be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 People really should read the firearms act before stating what they think it states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happypig Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 READ THE WHOLE SECTION OF THE ACT And don't just quote little bits. The key to the section quoted is without reasonable excuse ....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 I don't know about you, but I've yet to take mine out of the house without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I don't know about you, but I've yet to take mine out of the house without one. Agreed,and i dont know anyone else that doesnt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) Your reference of section 6 ( B) does not tally with the link? Are you sure? I thought I had posted a link to section 57 paragraph 6? which defines the term "loaded". You are referring to section 19, which is also relevant but different to my point. I actually feel a bit of a cheapskate now, for offering to send £10 to the PW charity when I know in my heart that it will not happen. The reason I am so confident is based on all the available evidence and the fact that in all the previous similar threads there has not been a shred of evidence - just hearsay and old wives tales - exactly like this thread. If any can PROVE otherwise, I want to know about it because it will benefit me as much as everyone else. But I just can't see it happening. In summary, (on the Uk mainland covered by 1968 Firearms act as ammended) 1 a magazine is not a firearm (this is a defined term) 2 even if it was it cannot be loaded (again this is a defined term) 3 even if it was it still isn't illegal as long as you have good reason. I guess I hoped that someone who was confident of the opposite view would make an offer to match it, but I can't see that happening either. At least Ordnance did post something concrete which has added an interesting angle. So I'll send the £10 in his honour ************************************************************ You might think it is better to be safe than sorry, which I don't argue with- but the advice given to new airgun owners especially regarding "loaded" magazines is a bit misleading and could lead to a false sense of security. for this reason: Originally the 68 Act said 19 Carrying firearm in a public place A person commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the proof whereof lies on him) he has with him in a public place a loaded shot gun or loaded air weapon, or any other firearm (whether loaded or not) together with ammunition suitable for use in that firearm. (my bold) so it can be seen why there was a concentration on loaded air weapons. As far as I can tell, it currently says this 19 Carrying firearm in a public place.E+W+S A person commits an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse (the proof whereof lies on him) he has with him in a public place ( a )a loaded shot gun, ( b )an air weapon (whether loaded or not), ( c )any other firearm (whether loaded or not) together with ammunition suitable for use in that firearm, or ( d )an imitation firearm.] (my bold again) notice the difference. The law has been tightened, So if you don't have a good reason/excuse then it is illegal to have an air weapon in a public place. The fact you have unloaded the gun, taken the magazine out and then emptied the magazine makes no difference. If you do have good reason, then the "loaded" magazine argument is irrelevant. The only time it could be relevant is if someone was in public with no gun but had a magazine with pellets in it. Is that really what some people are saying is "illegal"? Edited April 14, 2014 by HW682 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Is that really what some people are saying is "illegal"? No, well yes, it might be. But I fear you're wasting your time. These type of threads come up on PW regularly, it's usually theoretical scenarios involving being stopped by the police at night, the old chestnut of whether or not to phone plod before you go out shooting (as if), or being stopped with something that you shouldn't have with you. But people don't usually report these things actually happening, or at least not to my knowledge. As always, common sense in the eyes of a reasonable person, and knowledge of safe handling and transport of firearms, almost always comes up trumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 There should be distinctions made as to whether people are talking about airguns, firearms or shotguns, and whether the magazine is integral to the gun or detachable, as there is a difference and several people seem to be mixing them up. From my reading of the legislation (and it has been quoted several times in this thread), there are no restrictions on carrying loaded, detachable magazines for a firearm (which i THINK is what the OP was referring to), subject to the usual good reason to have ANY firearm with ammo in a public place requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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