kiffy Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 hi folks, thought id share a strange thing with you just because i cant understand it. i went today to a farm i visit with my shooting partner, he has had the permission to shoot over the farm for donkies years, he gets on with the elderly farmer and his son who pretty much runs the farm now always stopping for a quick chat when we visit. he has quite a few people shooting over the farm and a couple of weeks ago whilst chatting he mentioned to us that he was stopping people driving through the fields as they where damaging crops.. fair enough if people are damaging crops, we didnt and dont, its not the done thing, we look after our permissions even dropping a couple of bottles of wine of a few weeks ago for them. we went down this afternoon to get in and do some roost shooting, my mate got of one shot i got of three and two pigeons for my troubles (lost one in the overgrowth).. then the farmer who had heard the shots came over and started shouting not to shoot where we where and he had told us before not to shoot there.. which he hasnt, he and his son are always friendly enough and chat and have never said not to go to the farm or shoot certain areas of it. we went straight back to the farm yard to apologise if there was a problem the old man started spouting off about us and the son said he had had enough and he didnt want us back because of the problems with us this afternoon and in the past. talk about a confusing day. how can two people turn against us like that.. seeing the amount of spent carts left laying around the farm and the mess left by other shooters id say we are some of the most respectfull there, i guess we paid today for someone elses mistakes... shame to a nice farm and fairly local only 20 minutes away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzJo Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Sorry to hear about your loss of permission but it's clear to me that the farmer has mistaken you for someone else surely!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted May 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 dont know, to be honest i stayed out of most of the brief conversation when we got back to the farm yard as its not my perm but my mate has known them for years and we even had a conversation with the son a half hour before when we got there so i doubt a mistake was made, its unfortunate but we where still respectfull and said we where sorry if there was a problem and left quietly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnie Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 this happens when too many people have permission on one plot of land, your all as good as the worst person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazzJo Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Seems very strange that does mate definitely a case of mistaken identity I think, you have been respectful to his land and so has your friend for all them years and then suddenly BANG "excuse me get me off my lannddd" :s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superspark Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Thats a real shame to lose a permission like that. Do you know who else shoots over that land? If the fsrmer is still letting others shoot there then their going to find out who realy is too blame for the mess left behind. Hopefully you may get a call back in the near future, fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 I wish there was some magical solution I could recommend to get your shooting back, but us humans are strange at times. The only thing I can suggest is to give it a few weeks, get your mate to try and bump into the farmer or his son and work the conversation around to what kicked off. Sometimes in situations where the heat has gone out of the emotion they may have a change of heart. A test for your mates diplomacy skills. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 I got a fresh permission at Xmas and had my paperwork all signed up for fac. I told him I'll be back in a few weeks when I here off Feo . All good and I was back within a week but told leave it another week . Ok no problem . I returned a week later to be told not to return He said he doesn't want me back as I wasn't shooting the right time of day/week but I'd never said when. My mate kicked loads off his farm due to arguments between shooters . I'm happy at that tho:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbw1shrops Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Really strange and I feel kind of sorry for you and your friend ! Something must of gone on if you spoke to the son earlier on in the day I used to go with a friend on his perm and one day there was other lads in the roost wood we was in, long story short the next week we went there was carts chucked all under the holly bushes plus they were plastic wad and he was only meant to use fibre because of the cattle ! I told him to inform the farmer of this before it come back to him but don't think he said a thing ? I would tell your friend to go back in a couple of weeks when it's a bit calmer and see if he can save the perm. Atvb Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 I also remember getting a right roasting over cartridges left every where :( I've put all mine in my pockets tho . Turned out the farmers son was guilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbw1shrops Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 The way I see it,it's the farmers back garden and I wouldn't want him littering mine ! Countryside code it's common sense if you respect your land. Atb Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted May 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 The way I see it,it's the farmers back garden and I wouldn't want him littering mine ! Countryside code it's common sense if you respect your land. Atb Dave couldnt agree more, i know were doing them a huge favour with the pest controll but its still their land.. their back garden. also as we all know on here getting any perm, never mind a half decent one is difficult so we have got to look after them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Yeah; you have to look after your permissions, but from what you've said it doesn't look like you've done anything wrong, just victims of circumstances, whatever they were. Some years ago a mate brought someone he fished with, up to one of the places we shoot, who was keen to have a go at shooting. He was a canny bloke and loved it, and turned out to be naturally a very good shot, but had no idea about gun safety nor muzzle awareness. Told mate he would have to be told, and he was, but it didnt seem to sink in. We started getting complaints from the landowner about various dead animals being dumped in hedges, and in the edge of the wood in plain site of people driving up to the farm, and one day we found a plastic gallon container shot to pieces on a piece of waste ground and it turned out to be him. He was shooting anything and everything, so had to go. Have no idea where he is now but we still have our land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbw1shrops Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Yep getting a perm is very hard especially the first one ! Normally you get more by word of mouth or name dropping the perms you already have under your belt, so it's best to never put a foot out of place and I'm always thinking of the what ifs before and after a shot ! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Sorry to hear that Steve. As mentioned, perhap's give it a week or two and ask your mate to contact the farmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 sorry to here that,there are some funny farmers about, all my farmers have been very good over the years iv been on there land shooting,but if i was ever kicked off no way would i go back there, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbw1shrops Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 I see what your saying mossy but what if that is the only perm the lad has got ? Then what ? No perm = no shooting ! Atb Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berettacocker Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Permission hard to get but easy to lose, I've shot on a few farms where it was like walking on egg shells and all depending which side of bed they get out of . Luckily all farmers are not the same. At the end of the day your shooting in their back garden! I feel for you mate. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted June 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 its not our only perm, between us we have a couple of others close by but no where near as good.. the only half decent one left is an hour and a half away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) With to many shooters these things happen, one of my permissions that I couldn't get to regularly one of the lads, complained it was me using plastic wads and leaving empty cartridges everywhere when he was challenged by the land owner. The lad kicked up a right stink it was me, the land owner explained it wasn't me as I had a vested interest in the family cattle farm and I shoot a 28 bore, my uncle (the land owner) said he disliked liars so please don't come back. I won't be surprised if some of the naughty boys have pointed the finger at you two to keep their permission. Edited June 1, 2014 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Sadly the loss of shooting permission is a fact of shooting life. All too often permissions are lost due to the actions of others, dumped cartridges are close to the top of the list. As you would expect, I ensure that all my spent cases are collected and removed; I also keep my eyes open when moving around permissions or the farm where the syndicate shoot. Mistakes can and do happen, some shooters are just sloppy and don't give a toss. It's all too easy for blame to be attached to the wrong person. Whenever I come across spent cases I pick them up and ensure that they are disposed of properly; who they belonged to is a secondary consideration. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Webber. I think your right cartridges are rubbish just like a coke can etc. they shouldn't be dropped but if I see them I pick them up like any rubbish in the countryside. I normally carry an old plastic bag in my coat to put and gash in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 Sorry to here of this i hope it gets sorted. My other main hobby is metal detecting and the same things can happen. You can get someone who nighthawks (goes on the land in the dark, without permission) they leave holes dont back fill them. The next time you go to the farm, the farmer plays hell with you for not filling the holes in. I have gone on fields and spent most of my time filling these holes in before the farmer sees them and i loose the fields. The farmers are the worst for leaving stuff on the fields we finds all sorts of stuff, the worst thing is ointment tubes they use them on sheep for there eyes, then they just leave them there on the ground. One farm i went to i asked if i could detect it, he said if you can find a pin i have lost out of one of my trailers then the fields are yours Ok i said give me a clue, were in the field you may have lost it. So of i goes with in half an hour i found it, or should i say tripped ovet it, it was that big. Took it back to him he was over the moon, he said wow thats a clever detecter you have there, the fields are yours. I did not dare tell him i had fell over it. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 sorry to here that,there are some funny farmers about, all my farmers have been very good over the years iv been on there land shooting,but if i was ever kicked off no way would i go back there, You know what I agree, if I'd done nothing wrong I'd write a letter to the farmer explaining it then walk away. I wouldn't let anyone rant and rave at me for no reason permission or not. That may be seen by some as burning bridges ect but that's the way I am. its not our only perm, between us we have a couple of others close by but no where near as good.. the only half decent one left is an hour and a half away It's a shame but no massive loss, something closer will turn up in time I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 i got yelled at once for leaving cartridges everywhere, i had only been shooting the permission a few weeks, and the shells left were well rusted. one thing i did notice is the shells were yellow, and 20gauge. i told them they werenot mine, that fell on deaf ears. we picked them up anyway, about 200 emptys and some old ones. i shot there again with ferrets, we did such a good job, the farmer called his brother to get a good piece of the shooting action. Guess who turned up with a 20gauge..? the conversation came over to cartridges, because we were using unusual ones. he pulled out his yellow RC sipe and said they were the best shells ever ! he had his best day pigeon shooting, over there- (pointed to where all the empties were found.) the landowner gave me Nanasty look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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