955i Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Really? I knew people doing applied Maths and some Dentistry gig who didn't have more than 3 days knocked out of any one week in term time. As above there are some full time condensed degrees over 2 years and the HND boys who were more work-placement orientated but that's it. The LPC I did was 1 year full time after degree (and that was actually hard work) but even typing this out now i can't think of any full time 9-5 degree course over 3 or 4 years. It might lend you to a larger or international law firm doing something 'specialist' but that's not me. Applied Zoology at Liverpool John Moores. Going back a few years now but always remember being miffed that friends on other courses got days off LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) I have had a few graduate trainees working for me who were useless. They thought the world owed them a living. A degree is great, particularly in maths and the sciences but some of them might as well had a degree in knitting bootees for what good they were. I once sent one to sort out a simple complaint and he ran over the customers cat on their drive. He did however bury it for them and say a few words over it. Edited July 15, 2014 by fern01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 .............................I once sent one to sort out a simple complaint and he ran over the customers cat on their drive. He did however bury it for them and say a few words over it. Was his a degree in Divinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 If you are studying full time then workload is not an issue (and certainly not when compared to the workload and discipline required by a 9 to 5 job). My degree added up to 12 hours lectures / tutorials a week and there was always a whole day off in there (e.g. no need to go in on a Wednesday) and super long holidays. My degree was 40 hours in first year (9:00 to 21:00 on Mondays) , down to ~30 in second and third year but you were expected to/ needed to do a lot more as well. And we needed decent A levels to get in, this was nearly 30 years ago, when they weren't handing out As to every Tom **** and Harry. Still at least as an professional Engineer I'm reaping the reward now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) So in a few years when teachers , coppers and health workers salaries are the same as Lidl are paying ;don, t be moaning about the calibre of those who serve you . I am talking extremes here but in my job ie health care you are already finding the pool of dedicated people drying up and the veterans like me looking elsewhere and it us not just the pay . Ps .I would never strike . Edited July 15, 2014 by vole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 So in a few years when teachers , coppers and health workers salaries are the same as Lidl are paying ;don, t be moaning about the calibre of those who serve you . I am talking extremes here but in my job ie health care you are already finding the pool of dedicated people drying up and the veterans like me looking elsewhere and it us not just the pay . Ps .I would never strike . lidl money isnt bad by comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 lidl money isnt bad by comparison About 6 pounds an hour difference and closing . When hospital workers are drawn from the same pool as shop assistants , well , do not expect the extra mile is all I say . No disrespect to shop workers but you get what I mean . I expect my view expressed here is akin to Hitler reciting Mein Kampf at Glastonbury but what the hey . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 I know people with degrees working on the tills in shops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickS Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Bit of traditional thread drift going on here but whatever.... To brand all graduates as lazy ne'er-do-wells is unfair but to make all "professions" graduate-only is misguided to say the least when often what is needed is hard graft and dedication. A degree doesn't suit all jobs and all jobs don't need a degree to be able to do it properly. A good (with the emphasis on GOOD) apprenticeship is better preparation for many jobs than a degree, particularly for the more practical rôles. I have heard it said that education is wasted on the young - I would bet that plenty of people on here would love to have the time and opportunity to learn more about what interests them. I like to think that my experiences before reading for my degree and becoming a teacher makes me a better at my job. It certainly gives me plenty of stories to tell and practical examples of where they would find what they learn useful. A wide range of interests outside of the classroom helps too. Nick (I don't go on strike either) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 80 hour-plus weeks during term time. 12 weeks 'holiday', well over half of which is spent working - just because you aren't in front of a class doesn't mean you're not working. Pension - getting eroded just like all the other public sector, as they are an easy target. Benefits? What benefits? Hundred quids-worth of soap and chocolate once a year? (plus chocolatey soap and soapy chocolate) - great incentive that one... Constant interference from politicians in how you do your job - from people who almost invariably are not qualified to have an opinion (cough... Gove...cough...). Regular changes in guidelines and new "initiatives" - which seem to go in cycles. What is currently in vogue is pretty much the same as was being taught 30-odd years ago. All driven by seagull politicians eager to leave their mark (fly in, flap around, **** over everything, fly away again). Governmental obsession with measuring everything - "let's test kids who are too young to understand what a test is for, twice a term, to show how our wonderful new initiative is working" (see above). Yes, and your current cohort of sow's ears don't make sufficiently convincing silk purses, you'll be monitored even more closely and "put into special measures" until they do. Oh, and you get to put up with people telling you that you work a 6-hour day and get 12 weeks off a year. Yes, I come from a family of teachers, and a lot of my friends are teachers, so I have been observing the profession closely for pretty much all my life - and there is no way on Earth I could do that for a living. And - breathe.... Why dont they strike, during "half the 12 weeks holiday they are working"??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Never commented on this thread for a few day, still the teacher bashing going on which is actually quiet amusing. Funny how the fire service has not been mentioned about their 2 hour morning and 2 hour afternoon strike every day this week. Everyone supports them? Why don't they just leave if they're not happy? In response to the last post, I won't strike when I'm not getting paid for my holidays, what would the purpose be? It would be like Santa striking in July, kids won't be bothered, unlike the end of December. I get paid a salary for the number of hours directed time I do per year divided into 12 equal amounts. Edited July 15, 2014 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Funny how the fire service has not been mentioned about their 2 hour morning and 2 hour afternoon strike every day this week. Everyone supports them? Why don't they just leave if they're not happy? I don't support them. I don't support any public sector worker who strikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 I don't support them. I don't support any public sector worker who strikes. Me neither Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) Applied Zoology at Liverpool John Moores. Going back a few years now but always remember being miffed that friends on other courses got days off LOL Current course requirements are 12 hours lectures a week, apparently. http://www.ljmu.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/2014/zoology " Formal teaching accounts for approximately 12 hours of your study time each week; the rest should be spent in private study." And like I said, I *still* don't know of any degree course with a timetable taking up more than 12 hours in any given week. Edited July 16, 2014 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Why dont they strike, during "half the 12 weeks holiday they are working"??? Post of the week :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 What would you guys suggest as an alternative to striking ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Well, striking hasn't worked, isn't likely to work and appears to be alienating everyone who isn't a teacher. I've always found that when searching for any answer to a difficult problem or question if the answer was that obvious or that likely to guarantee a successful outcome then everyone would be getting it right all the time and there would be just one definitive guide on 'doing everything right all the time'. There's not. I've always found that it's the cock ups and mistakes that give the best guidance.... 'I don't know what the answer is, but look what they did and how badly wrong it went for them and so whilst I don't have the answer, I do know that we're not doing that'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Ed Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 oh poor hard done by me? put your tax return in yet :lol: KW Reading this thread, I'm getting the distinct impression that you're a bit of a ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Was his a degree in Divinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 I know people with degrees working on the tills in shops Me too. I did point out to them that a degree does not g'tee a good starting salary or even a job in your chosen field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 What would you guys suggest as an alternative to striking ? Resign and go and work in the private sector. If large numbers do likewise the Government's position is untenable. If few other follow suit, your post is quickly filled and the private sector won't touch you with a barge pole, it was you at fault all along. Go and find a new career, preferably one which doesn't trouble the tax payer. In other words, put your money where you mouth is and let the market decide. Its what private sector workers and the self-employed do every day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Resign and go and work in the private sector. If large numbers do likewise the Government's position is untenable. If few other follow suit, your post is quickly filled and the private sector won't touch you with a barge pole, it was you at fault all along. Go and find a new career, preferably one which doesn't trouble the tax payer. In other words, put your money where you mouth is and let the market decide. Its what private sector workers and the self-employed do every day of the week. +1 some sence at last imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Resign and go and work in the private sector. If large numbers do likewise the Government's position is untenable. If few other follow suit, your post is quickly filled and the private sector won't touch you with a barge pole, it was you at fault all along. Go and find a new career, preferably one which doesn't trouble the tax payer. In other words, put your money where you mouth is and let the market decide. Its what private sector workers and the self-employed do every day of the week. We got a letter from the school my two attend stating that although the school was affected by the strike, it wouldn't be known until the day as to what that effect would be, and while our kids would be expected to attend it would be advisable for a parent to be contactable in case it was necessary to send either one or both children home. I told my two not to bother going and since have been told we will be receiving a letter requesting an explanation as to why our children didn't attend. Am looking forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Unbelievable. Don't they understand people go to work!! I do think 90% of teachers do a good job But I don't support them striking. If they were worth more then there would be a shortage on teatchers But 100s go into it a year! So that shows it's not as bad as they make out it to be. We got a letter from the school my two attend stating that although the school was affected by the strike, it wouldn't be known until the day as to what that effect would be, and while our kids would be expected to attend it would be advisable for a parent to be contactable in case it was necessary to send either one or both children home. I told my two not to bother going and since have been told we will be receiving a letter requesting an explanation as to why our children didn't attend. Am looking forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) I was a Maths teacher for forty years. I took part in short strikes. One to enable teachers to leave the building at lunchtime without having to ask permission; to abolish forced mealtime duty; to reduce the crippling percentage of salary paid to superannuation when statistics showed that most staff died within nine years of retiring. Over the years, I witnessed the erosion of lesson time given to core subjects and the increase in adopted hairy fairy subjects. I was still expected to deliver the results in reduced lesson time. As for long holidays, I needed to work with other teachers in shut down factories, often in boilers and furnaces. My pay for a weekend exceeded that for a fortnight as a teacher. I could never go on a cheap holiday in term time. I still enjoyed my job and often faced ridicule when past classmates and ex pupils paraded their expensive automobiles. I retired early and would exist on a poor pension but for my drug dealing and contract killing businesses which bring in good money. Edited July 20, 2014 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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