Gordon R Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I welcome the "no" vote, as I believe it is the best interests of Scotland and the rest of the UK. I love Alex Salmond - the man who never lets facts cloud any issue. He has no sooner lost than he is making demands of the very people he wanted rid of. Two faced doesn't even start to cover it. If he has any class, he will resign, but I suspect he will cling to power, with all its trappings. A true man of the people. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I thought he spoke a lot of sense, as usual. If Douglas Carswell wins the Clacton by election on 9th October (I think he's about 32 points ahead at the moment) and becomes the first UKIP mp Camerons position is going to become more and more fragile. I voted conservative last time round thinking Cameron was going to be a good strong leader. How wrong I was. He's such a weak man. This whole Sottish debacle has shown him up for exactly what he is. Don't forget the other bi-election on the same day. A good showing there in a Labour seat will be equally good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm wondering how much taxpayers money has been wasted (or spent) on this ? Elections, campaigns, hotels , helicopters etc. things like this don't come cheap and its money that could have been put to much better use than willy waving by politicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Kes are u sure ur not a seceret sweaty?? The only time u seem happy is when ur moaning. Wether its basc or general licences, or mibee it's just the posts i see but u do seem to like a moan. Coming from a scot u should take that as a compliment. The scottish govererment paid for the referendum as it was in the SNP's manifesto when they were voted in, so it would not of cost the english anything. I think the whole referendum debate is very depends very much on ur perspective u are viewing it from, 2 people with oppisate opinions will watch/read the same thing and come to 2 completely different opinions as both only take wot they want to take out of it. I do a bit of loading/picking up on an english grouse moor (usually the only time i ever head south of the border) and have been speaking to some fairly rich people involved in banking/finance sector and was getting a right wind up of moor owner yest, who is also involved in finace. They all have said scoctland could easily stand on its own 2 feet, it would make things very complicated initially for trading cross border but could be done. The biggest problem would be city types (llike themselves) buying and selling currency trying to make a fast buck destabilising. They will all be very happy with a no vote as takes any uncertanty out of things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I welcome the "no" vote, as I believe it is the best interests of Scotland and the rest of the UK. I love Alex Salmond - the man who never lets facts cloud any issue. He has no sooner lost than he is making demands of the very people he wanted rid of. Two faced doesn't even start to cover it. If he has any class, he will resign, but I suspect he will cling to power, with all its trappings. A true man of the people. :lol: Why would he resign? He turned round a 20 point poll decifit in a month and was only a fraction of winning, and remember he was relying on wild promises and pipe dreams. He is still the leader of the scottish parliment and its his job to get the best deal for scotland, yes he got beat but has now to get up and get the best deal for scotland. That's his job If anything its the No campign who should be getting a ####ing, they lost a 20 point ;ead, and 'allegedly' there campign was 100% truthfull, Personally i can't stand Salmond and the policies he stands for BUT he is a very shrewd clever politicain and very few out there can match him, wether u actually like him is a different story. All the helicopter's advert's etc would be paid for out of donations etc, i know some lottery millions donated a million or so to Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Another way to look at it - the Scots narrowly avoided becoming a one party state. I'm not aware of any opposition Scottish parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Quite the oppisate, Snp will be very hard to shift out of holyrood now. If they actually got independence a lot of the labour voters may of drifted back to labour and even the torries may have had a comeback when not got that southern england toff assocaition. Around 20% of otes at last election were tory, and around 50 odd years ago scotland was 50/50 tory/labour, Thatcher finished the tories north of the border Not a good party for shooting/field sports and private gun ownership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 To put the record straight, and following a pleasant interlude with flashman. the only person from Essex in my family is me, Maldon born and bred and having read most of the post's on here can say that the majority from the english have been un-pleasant and racist. I am ashamed to call myself an Essex man (although I love Essex), Some have said great banter, well my definition of banter is that its a good humoured exchange of ideas, not a one sided racist rant. Jeez its no wonder that half the scots want independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crowdie2013 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 To put the record straight, and following a pleasant interlude with flashman. the only person from Essex in my family is me, Maldon born and bred and having read most of the post's on here can say that the majority from the english have been un-pleasant and racist. I am ashamed to call myself an Essex man (although I love Essex), Some have said great banter, well my definition of banter is that its a good humoured exchange of ideas, not a one sided racist rant. Jeez its no wonder that half the scots want independence. well said mr Essex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Kes are u sure ur not a seceret sweaty?? The only time u seem happy is when ur moaning. Wether its basc or general licences, or mibee it's just the posts i see but u do seem to like a moan. Coming from a scot u should take that as a compliment. The scottish govererment paid for the referendum as it was in the SNP's manifesto when they were voted in, so it would not of cost the english anything. You may well be right about the moaning ! I dont think I'm a secret sweaty as you put it, I just dont have a good sense of humour like many on here - maybe I am a bit Scots. Having different views about BASC and the General Licence isnt an issue as I feel let down by both and perhaps powerless to change to a better situation like a number of others - a bit like the YES voters today. Fairly just criticism though, of late I grant you, maybe its moving house that does it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I think that many have not considered the impact that this process in Scotland will have on the rest of the UK. Over the last 10-15 or so years we have started to see the new shoots of growth of a fundamental change in UK politics develop.The rise of UKIP, the backlash to Iraq and Afghanistan, the revolt against the bankers, the prominence of groups such as anonymous, etc, but these are largely single issue causes. The Scottish referendum has shown that people that feel emotionally involved and committed to a much wider political cause can and do make a difference, a voter turnout of 85% is phenomenal in recent times. If Scotland's 4m voting franchise can achieve the level of change in UK politics then England's voice can be so much louder. A fundamental constitutional change is going to envelop the UK, I believe that the people of England will have a long overdue opportunity to ensure that their voice is correctly heard much more clearly in English matters, make sure that you all embrace the opportunity of that change. Don't waste your time bending your anger and frustration towards Scotland for having the temerity to speak out and not being afraid to punch above its weight, follow the example and force a difference. We are not rendered impotent because of Westminster, we suffer from self serving and very damaging apathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Watched a couple of hours of BBC coverage this morning. Wish I had a quid for every time they said "the three main parties". The BBC don't seem to have noticed that the Liberals are just about extinct. Ukip.Conservative and Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 When using a flapper in Scotland do you put it at the back of your decoys or at the front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 When using a flapper in Scotland do you put it at the back of your decoys or at the front? Gordon Brown is the biggest flapper in Scotland and he keeps on trying to push himself to the front no matter where he started out and whether it is wanted or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 To put the record straight, and following a pleasant interlude with flashman. the only person from Essex in my family is me, Maldon born and bred and having read most of the post's on here can say that the majority from the english have been un-pleasant and racist. I am ashamed to call myself an Essex man (although I love Essex), Some have said great banter, well my definition of banter is that its a good humoured exchange of ideas, not a one sided racist rant. Jeez its no wonder that half the scots want independence. It's not racist as the Scots are not a race of people but a country. I personally would have liked to see an independent Scotland. They would either make a go of it or not. It would have shook Westminster up and we could have possibly got the vote on the EU. Figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdsallpl Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 To put the record straight, and following a pleasant interlude with flashman. the only person from Essex in my family is me, Maldon born and bred and having read most of the post's on here can say that the majority from the english have been un-pleasant and racist. I am ashamed to call myself an Essex man (although I love Essex), Some have said great banter, well my definition of banter is that its a good humoured exchange of ideas, not a one sided racist rant. Jeez its no wonder that half the scots want independence. Well said Island gun, it makes you wonder if many of the guys on here have ever heard of diversity or have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 The personal insults are now getting silly. They will now stop. This on the whole has been a great thread and would be a shame to let petty squabbles between members Either play nice or don't play. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 A city commentator said this morning on the BBC news channel that Scotland remaining in the U.K. would increase the chances of the U.K. staying in the E.U. which the city and business liked.He said this was a bad result for UKIP because Scottish voters would vote to remain in the E.U. in any referendum.Thoughts please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Now the vote is over,I now await the outcome of the promises and also to see if there is any lasting member to member damage on PW, hopefully not. johnnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Now the vote is over,I now await the outcome of the promises and also to see if there is any lasting member to member damage on PW, hopefully not. johnnie Hopefully no lasting damage, I have a Scottish neice in law who absolutely hates the English with a venom, A very strange and troubled girl who won't accept anything but Scottish rule :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted September 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I only hope that they will do what they promised and give us a proper federation Ie England Wale Scotland with each of the countries having there own government but I think how it will work out is the Scots will have there own government but instead of England getting one they will go the devolution way so we end up with bigger County Councils but giving them not much more powers it will be the usual fudge what we need is an English government full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 A city commentator said this morning on the BBC news channel that Scotland remaining in the U.K. would increase the chances of the U.K. staying in the E.U. which the city and business liked.He said this was a bad result for UKIP because Scottish voters would vote to remain in the E.U. in any referendum.Thoughts please. A BBC city commentator said. The interlude of the Scottish referendum vote is over and the BBC is back to UKIP bashing. The City certainly aren't fans of the EU's proposals for a Financial Transaction Tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AULD YIN Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hopefully no lasting damage, I have a Scottish neice in law who absolutely hates the English with a venom, A very strange and troubled girl who won't accept anything but Scottish rule :( Think there are many on both sides johnnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) A pronounced result for Great Britain as a whole and for Scotland in particular whether some of the yes voting Scots appreciate it or not. Edited September 19, 2014 by STOTTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graiglearn Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 graiglearn - I assume you can read, but you seem selective in what you read - only the bits you like. Reminds me of Alex Salmond. Just publish the bit about the Chief Constable, relating to city dwellers and noise. I look forward to seeing proof of what someone has not said. are you in politics , put your money where your mouth is ,it is common knowledge police scotland want a purge on firearms ,this is an example ,now scotland will be used as an excuse for other forces to follow ,but as you dont want to accept what I can proove you are no better than Salmond with the ostrich approach ,again put up or Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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