00jacksonp Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 This may seem like a silly question but is a 686 the same as a 686 silver pigeon? If so what are the deferences. Guns branded with "silver pigeon seem to be a fair bit more expensive on the second hand market.then a 686. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 The 686 is the older model of the two - and was better made in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Could you elaborate on why you consider them better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Could you elaborate on why you consider them better I have owned a number of the 686 & Silver Pigeon, I believe the 686 have better grained stocks, wood to metal finish and overall better finished - This is just my own personal view. Edited October 9, 2014 by browning123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 I would say that all base models from all the makers are very bland ,I believe they all use the same batch of used scaffold boards for the stocks.as for wood to metal fit the machines that shape the stocks will work to far closer tolerances than hand so the fit will be about as perfect as you can get..they are all cosmetic and will not make a gun any better or worse than the next.i have and still do own several beretta guns I have a sp1 in the cabinets as a rough shoot gun.my others all have nicely figured wood on as that is something I like but then you pay for the nicer finish.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 The 686 is the older model of the two - and was better made in my mind. also i would say the older model feels and shoots better IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Had a 686 30" Sporter back in the 90's. Recently had a Prevail Sv10 Pro Sport 30" now gone. The 686 was a better gun both in handling and finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 also i would say the older model feels and shoots better IMHO Definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Had a 686 30" Sporter back in the 90's. Recently had a Prevail Sv10 Pro Sport 30" now gone. The 686 was a better gun both in handling and finish. Definitely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 I have a 1989 beretta 682 sporting . Very well made . I also agree the older berettas were built to a much higher standard than the newer ones IMO . ive owned countless models since 1987 . And still own a few . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 I think a lot of the recent problems were down to poor finish and poor QC, and in the latter possibly the rush to meet demand for the 692 created problems. I know two blokes who returned their 692's; both had very little finish on the woodwork, with one 'blooming' after getting wet, and the other having off-centre locating pins. I think most of the problems have been ironed out now, but when I tried both the 692 and one of the Zoli 'Z' series in the same price range, I preferred the Zoli. Must admit my 682 Supersport was a real quality beaut'. Would have another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Just to confuse the matter wasn`t there a 687 silverpigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) Just to confuse the matter wasn`t there a 687 silverpigeon.I believe there was and a EL gold pigeon All the best Of Like this one Edited October 9, 2014 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxie Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 Very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) There are loads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_Silver_Pigeon SIlver pigeon is just a basic OU there are higher specs in gold and eve diamond pigeon and EL EEL EELL versions of the same basic design http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Davandron/Beretta686 Q: What is Beretta's new model name/nomenclature system for shotguns? A: Beretta's new nomenclature system recaptures a bit of history by bringing back some of the legendary Beretta gun names of the past and adding many new names as well. The new system retains Beretta's current model numbers while incorporating product names such as Mallard and Perdiz to strengthen the identity of each firearm series. The nomenclature also distinguishes between different grades of shotguns with the Silver, Gold and Diamond designations. For over/under shotguns, Silver grade is used to designate the standard 686 and 687 models with silver receivers. Gold grade designates the higher grade 686EL and 687EL models with full sideplates. Diamond grade designates the higher grade 687EELL models that feature the highest grade wood and engraving. 390 Series semiautomatic shotguns also use Silver and Gold designations. Silver is used on the standard models and Gold is for deluxe models with gold filled engraving on the receiver and highly-figured wood. Examples of this new system are as follows: Field Grade Shotguns Old Model New Name A390ST 390 Silver Mallard A390ST Deluxe 390 Gold Mallard Vitoria Pintail 686 Essential 686 Onyx 686 Onyx 686L 686 Silver Perdiz 686EL 686EL Gold Perdiz 687L 686 Silver Pigeon 687EL 687EL Gold Pigeon 687EELL 687EELL Diamond Pigeon Competition Shotguns Old Model New Name 686 Sporting 686 Silver Perdiz Sporting 687 Sporting 687 Silver Pigeon Sporting 687EELL Sporting 687EELL Diamond Pigeon Sporting 682 Sporting/Skeet/Trap 682 Gold Sporting/Skeet/Trap ASE90 Sporting/Skeet/Trap ASE90 Gold Sporting/Skeet/Trap Edited October 9, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullyhubbert Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 I bought my 686 second hand in 1989, paid £640 It was described to me by the seller as the lightweight 'field' gun version, it has an 'L' on the trigger guard and is a multichoke. Narrow rib and just a single small silver bead. Anyone shed any light as to exactly which model I have? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 my 686 is a whitewing onyx .which i was told is the light version.sounds like we have the same gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) deleted as I added some better pics Edited October 10, 2014 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) a few better pictures.also where does the sp3 and the spv fit into the above scale. Edited October 10, 2014 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 I bought my 686 second hand in 1989, paid £640 It was described to me by the seller as the lightweight 'field' gun version, it has an 'L' on the trigger guard and is a multichoke. Narrow rib and just a single small silver bead. Anyone shed any light as to exactly which model I have? Thanks. 686 Field I would say.I have a 687 Sporter from 1989, that is heavier and with the wide rib and orange bead. Fine for clays but I really notice the weight rough shooting and game shooting, you have the better gun for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 Bostonmick that engraving is much nicer than a few poorly done birds. A lot cleaner and easier to see. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 Bostonmick that engraving is much nicer than a few poorly done birds. A lot cleaner and easier to see. Figgy The engraving is purely hand done.this was made in 1986 I am not sure what the model is 686 or 682. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPhantom Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 I bought my 686 second hand in 1989, paid £640 It was described to me by the seller as the lightweight 'field' gun version, it has an 'L' on the trigger guard and is a multichoke. Narrow rib and just a single small silver bead. Anyone shed any light as to exactly which model I have? Thanks. I used to own one of these - it sounds like a 686 Special game. It should read S686 Special on the underside of the action if it is. Mine was fixed choke...had the 'L' on the trigger guard too. Nice guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tullyhubbert Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 I used to own one of these - it sounds like a 686 Special game. It should read S686 Special on the underside of the action if it is. Mine was fixed choke...had the 'L' on the trigger guard too. Nice guns. Thankyou MrP, I must of had the gun so long I've stopped noticing things including the rather obvious model number under the action! My brother has the same model though someone changed the small silver bead for an ugly red one before he bought it. My first two guns were Betetta too, I don't think I've any pictures and can't remember the model numbers. I'll have to post a question about them when I've had a think about it. My late fathers gun is another I know little about, its a Midland 30" barrelled non ejector he bought about 25 years ago. If I recall the gunsmith removed a dent in the right hand barrell just before he bought it. I'll take some pictures and post them up over the weekend in the hope someone can give me more details on it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IEH Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) I have one of these too, bought new in 1986 and I would never get rid of it. Mine's a fixed choke and it's a lively, well-balanced and light (6lbs 12ozs) game gun. I also think the quality of these older Berettas is head and shoulders above some of their more recent offerings. Edited October 11, 2014 by IEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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