wymberley Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 you miss my meaning, I was making reference to Scully letting go on what seems to be a more personal issue over semantics and you said he said nonsense. You read WAY too much meaning in my flippant comments, unfortunately thats the norm on the net these days. Apologies, I didn't realise you were being flippant. Three perfectly acceptable comments on a serious subject but I disagreed with the one I posted on. The fourth one (the first in your post) has got me though - where did I say that Scully said nonsense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 you miss my meaning, I was making reference to Scully letting go on what seems to be a more personal issue over semantics and you said he said nonsense. You read WAY too much meaning in my flippant comments, unfortunately thats the norm on the net these days. If someone wants to make fun of and ridicule others over a topic some see as a serious issue (which I do, but not all do admittedly) then I'm more than willing to come out and play. To state some may be a little 'emotional' or 'upset' because they are passionate about defending their sport, pastime, call it what you will, from what they regard as an unwarranted attack, and their opinion differs as a result, and that they're 'willy waving' when their opinion isn't shared by another, I find insulting, belittling and more than a little akin to bullying, which I can't abide. I despise anyone attempting to make someone look small in order to make oneself look big, but I can play that game too. I wont tolerate it, and if it gets me kicked off the forum then so be it; it'll be worth it. Dekers is a big boy; he can handle it. To get back on topic, have just been having a brew with a mate who's FEO ( we share the same one) called around earlier today, for no other reason than to check his security, as he happened to be in the area. The annoying thing is he phoned first to see if he would be in, so I suppose that doesn't count as 'unannounced'. Mate said he would have let him in anyhow. He's a nice bloke ( the FEO, not my mate; he's horrible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Apologies, I didn't realise you were being flippant. Three perfectly acceptable comments on a serious subject but I disagreed with the one I posted on. The fourth one (the first in your post) has got me though - where did I say that Scully said nonsense? ehehe you're having a bad reading day thepasty, on 23 Oct 2014 - 10:59 AM, said: you miss my meaning, I was making reference to Scully letting go on what seems to be a more personal issue over semantics and you said he said nonsense. " you said he said" is a type of discussion/argument where the participants (normally only one of) resort to pulling apart the text rather than the discussion points, it normally happens when one side of the discussion is struggling to add weight to their point and resorts to this rather than backing down. all good now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 " you said he said" is a type of discussion/argument where the participants (normally only one of) resort to pulling apart the text rather than the discussion points, it normally happens when one side of the discussion is struggling to add weight to their point and resorts to this rather than backing down. all good now? Yep; that's exactly how it works, but some don't feel the need to add weight to their point, but rather use it as an aid to ridicule. Over use of emoticons in the same situation is another sure-fire way of signifying that someone is attempting to save face, and it is easy to spot when a big 'laugh out loud' emoticon is used (in the context of the statement) to signify that it is meant to ridicule by signifying that that person is laughing AT them, rather than WITH them. When the person that this is aimed at points this out, or retaliates, they are then invariably claimed to be 'over sensitive' and that no insult was intended. The nuances of keyboard warrioring can be subtle and varied it would seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 ehehe you're having a bad reading day I think I must be as I haven't a clue what you're on about. You made four Points. The first has been eloquently countered above. The third I replied to as I really disagree with it - the dog isn't asleep, but wide awake and its bite could well be worse than its bark. The second and the fourth are linked and I can accept your point of view. However, they're not for me. I may end up getting nowhere but as I see it the donkey isn't dead yet and could well end up giving us a good kicking. To simply move on and drop it, making no attempt to correct what I and many others consider to be an unnecessary impediment to our legitimate activities considering the reasons given for its introduction, when all the evidence points to the fact that such action is not valid - even if you accept that the given reason is the actual one - is something that I'm not prepared to accept without a fight. However, this is all of no consequence seeing how you were merely being flippant. I think that's me done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 To answer the OP, not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I made no points, simply observations, I have no view one way or the other on this. I commented on the thread through frustration and disillusion with PW as a lot of threads get derailed by the usual suspects resulting in nothing but squabbling and inevitably a closed thread... which isnt good for anyone, particularly the forum. I'll back out now as well as I'm doing nothing but being hypocritical... but to be fair to myself, the thread was screwed many pages ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I had an unannounced visit by E-on, does that count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Russell Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Wish i had visit to inspect my cabinet etc. Doubt ill see sgc this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Obviously checks do need carrying out :rolleyes: http://news.sky.com/story/1359083/royal-protection-officer-held-over-ammunition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Mmmm....I see what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 What's that thing about glass and houses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 What's that thing about glass and houses?If you live in one people can see you poop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 If you live in one people can see you poop. Well, we've just seen the Met drop a biggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Well, we've just seen the Met drop a biggy. and by releasing the story to the media it shows they are not into cover ups.they have put their own house in order so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 and by releasing the story to the media it shows they are not into cover ups.they have put their own house in order so to speak. It is a shame that the officer has let his side down as the minority of officers who are bent is a very small one. We, of course, are not allowed that recognition. I would have given more credibility to your post had the information been released when the fact was first discovered and not delayed until it was in the public domain when a 'leak' from any other source would have been even more damaging. I also note that other 'other offences (quaintly termed as scandals) are being taken into account'. "We'd better cough to this one now, but let's add this lot on while we're at it then we can call it just one incident in our statistics." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 It is a shame that the officer has let his side down as the minority of officers who are bent is a very small one. We, of course, are not allowed that recognition. I would have given more credibility to your post had the information been released when the fact was first discovered and not delayed until it was in the public domain when a 'leak' from any other source would have been even more damaging. I also note that other 'other offences (quaintly termed as scandals) are being taken into account'. "We'd better cough to this one now, but let's add this lot on while we're at it then we can call it just one incident in our statistics." There are bad apples in every barrel. It will no doubt just go on the stats as another firearms related incident. However I would say that if you knew where to look you could get a detailed breakdown of all the stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 bit of good news: https://gallery.mailchimp.com/ce598cb66b49390b21df1f52c/files/Joint_ACPO_CA_letter_to_all_certificate_holders_re_initiative_301014_final_.pdf?utm_source=ACPO+responses&utm_campaign=1a1b14d0ce-ACPO_thank_you11_5_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_acc28f6666-1a1b14d0ce-216444233&mc_cid=1a1b14d0ce&mc_eid=6d2af70813 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Would never have seen that, many thanks for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 bit of good news: https://gallery.mailchimp.com/ce598cb66b49390b21df1f52c/files/Joint_ACPO_CA_letter_to_all_certificate_holders_re_initiative_301014_final_.pdf?utm_source=ACPO+responses&utm_campaign=1a1b14d0ce-ACPO_thank_you11_5_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_acc28f6666-1a1b14d0ce-216444233&mc_cid=1a1b14d0ce&mc_eid=6d2af70813 And this.....................http://us8.campaign-archive2.com/?u=ce598cb66b49390b21df1f52c&id=1a1b14d0ce&e=3200e1e60a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister22 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 the ammo was secure in a locker in a police building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 See it seems if we get our act together and stand to be counted we can change stupid requirements form the police. So next time the police are trying to pull a fast one you would do better to remember this campaign and what we can achieve. Well pleased with the result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 (edited) I think what we all are forgetting the this country is under serious threat from acts of terrorism. We are not been accused, we are being reminded that we as shooters with access to firarms and ammunition could be targeted.In the not too distant future we can expect a major terrorist attack on the UK. We are a fairly easy target for terrorists to obtain our guns,either by breaking and entering our properties or taken them from us either at home or in the field.For example, how many on here leave their guns in the car after a driven shoot when they all stop off at the pub before heading home.I know when lamping at 3am in the morning in the middle of nowhere wouldn't stand a chance if I where approached by a number of blokes intent on taking my firearm.We should understand the reason for this announcement and comply with the enforcement. Only last week 2 blokes arrested for staking out police stations and army reserves barracks with plans to kill.This week in Newcastle a bloke arrested with various firearms and explosive devices,again with the intent to cause death or harm.My view personally is I beleive the police have intelligence that we are going to be targeted. I 1st thought it was just a publicity stunt to gain public faith, but that was a stupid thought, which I feel realy stupid for assuming. I enjoy my shooting, but the security of the people in the UK is more important than me having the privalage of owning a firearm. Edited November 5, 2014 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 To be honest the government always use terroism as the ooga booga scare tactic. Of course also for political ends. I am not impressed with the latest campaign and as a shooting community we basically told the police and the ACPO collectively that we believe this to be political rather than a genuine terorist concern. The UK was at major terrorist weakness from 1920s until 2000 (IRA) and at no point were shooters told to batter down the hatches because the irish were coming for their guns. I see these stories as scaremongering, paranoid amateur loners thinking they are Osama bin laden and getting caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 As a BASC member I am surprised to see consultation of ACPO/CA without any apparent BASC comment or involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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