cost of guns brands and the whole shebang

[das]

have to say,,ok you buy a silver pigeon costing £1000 and you buy another(same model) for £1500, you will find that its the wood which makes the difference , the actual action will be the same but the quality of wood will be far superior on the more expensive gun even though the action is the same,

 

if you can afford it and you want it then good luck to whoever,

 

bit like me with my Daystates , people tell me they don't shoot any better than an air rifle costing £200 even though I,ve paid £1500 for a daystate, but it sure as hell looks,feels and in my eyes performs better,

 

cant see whats wrong with buying the most expensive you can afford, you earn your cash so you should be entitled to spend it on what you want,,

 

what makes me laugh is the people whom usually slate people for owning a particular brand only do so because they cant afford one

 

 

tin hat on chaps :whistling:

 

atb Evo

totally agree

 

I agree as well!

[mickyh]

£400 gun is £80.00 vat

Manufacturer's profit,dealers

profit, packaging and transport to come out

There not much left in there for materials or quality.

Makes you think a bit about what your actually getting for your £400 ?

[Gordon R]

No I dont buy the cheapest in my tools for work I buy the best I can afford

 

I would be interested in what brand of tools you buy. Many people bang on about Snap On, which is just about the dearest brand, but I am far from convinced that Snap On are the best. They have cornered the mobile seller market and have a widespread reputation.

 

Are their ratchets better than Facom - I think not. Are their spanners better than MAC - debatable. Are their spanners better than KD, SK, Allen, Armstrong, Cornwell, Proto, Matco and Bonney? Maybe the same quality, but better?

 

I own / have owned all of these makes and a good deal of Snap On, but their price is higher than it should be.

 

Snap On have a had a dabble with the budget end - think Snap On Eurotools - not a patch on the old Par X range. It didn't last and the quality was debatable. They also market Bluepoint, which isn't the same as the old Bluepoint (made in the USA) range.

[Guest cookoff013]

beretta and benelli did do economy models the es100 and the benelli premium plus, but they are an old automatic. and prices for these are still in excess of 700+

 

i`ve been looking for an auto for ages. i`ve been looking at lots of products.

 

i`ve handles alot and the escorts are not for me. i even tried one.

 

even the benelli pumps are silly money.

benelli pump still £600, and one is £649 that is silly money. i bought one ages ago when they were like £500.

 

i am not a big fan of poor quality, who is?

 

cook.

[hoggysreels]

I'm of the opinion; when you earn you're cash its your decision as to how the money is spent ...

 

If there were to be a hypothetical continual firing test; Beretta vs. Baikal ... obviously the Beretta would out last the Baikal by a similar percentage as comparible to the cost of each shotgun !!. .... l think that's what the OP'er is trying to emphasize ... if the Beretta cost x 3 more, then the Beretta would have to be x 3 more durable ... thereby, both would be equal per £ spent ... "l think that's his notion" ?

[bostonmick]

I don't think people criticise the cheaper guns because they are cheap.i believe in the case of the hatsan they earned a bad rep with the problems a lot of the earlier ones had.and as they say mud sticks.i would say that if you put a lot of the cheaper brands out on the serious clay circuit firing many thousand cartridges a month they would not stand the test of time.i know of one top shooter who all but destroyed a c&g in under a year yet a perazzi beretta browning etc etc will go on for years.it is true that quality and reliability costs.i have friends who shoot with guns costing the price of a bungalow and some who will not pay more than about 800.the one thing we all have in common is we all enjoy shooting.the only slagging that goes on is when a shot is missed.all in fun though.atb

[Dekers]

I'm more than a bit lost with the whole point of this thread, quality is always a game of diminishing returns, to get a fraction better you commonly have to spend a disproportionate amount more, ok that will commonly include more margin for the manufacturer as well, but that's life.

 

Hatsan are ****, some work, it's a lottery, but to be fair they seem to be learning from their mistakes...however, the prices are creeping up.

 

Baikal has been mentioned, unlike Hatsan they have always been pretty reliable, just a bit basic/agricultural, so what?

 

[delburt0]

Quality is in the eye of the purchaser,

People have different standards for everything in life,

But if it works a hatson kills just as good as a purdey if pointed in the right place, I would never slag anyone's choices off whether a gun car or washing machine,

As the old saying goes beauty is in the eye of the beholder (I've even owned a cynergy)...

[Roy King]

You get what you pay for these days..... If you've got the dosh buy what you want??

Most guns shoot straight,.... except mine( sometimes ). :-)

[phaedra1106]

I still have my 1st gen Hatsan semi, paid about £265 for it in 2007, thousands of carts through it with only 1 failure and that was down to me getting a bit of cleaning patch stuck behind the trigger mech (before I knew how to fully strip it).

 

When you say a £400 gun you also have to bear in mind that's £400 here in rip off Britain. When I paid £265 for the Hatsan it was an excellent price considering it had to be shipped here from Turkey and proofed, however, that same year we were in Florida standing in the Bass Pro shop and there was the same Hatsan for $295 which at the time worked out at just under £150!. So God knows what the actual manufacturing costs are but they can ship them 6500 miles to Florida and sell them at half the UK price and still make a profit!.

[littlerob]

Yes same with the mossberg guns you can pick them up in America in wall mart AKA as asda for dirt cheap

[Gunman]

So if the workers are getting paid less then it should be possible to build high quality well finished guns for a lot less than the likes of Beretta or Perazzi . But they don't they build budget guns . Surely this has a lot to do with the market they aim their products at knowing that the Spanish and Italians and eastern Europeans can no longer produced these there is a gap they can fill .

[bostonmick]

oh no not the old America gag again

[ChrisAsh]

Intresting thread

 

Put some of the arguments in reverse, when so many makes of gun can be brought far under the price of the three popular makes b, b, m then what makes them better all these days use cnc, basically the same metal and design and made in factories rather than hand assembled

 

You can buy a satnav for under £100 these days yet car companies charge about £1000 to have built in, only difference a couple of quid fitting it in the designed slot

 

Most shotguns are made from only a few parts, cnc made to avoide hand finishing, and a far away product from say 5 or ten years ago.

 

But at the end of the day everyone on the forum probably thinks their gun is the best value buy and equal to any other in its use

[sishyplops]

It's quite scary when you look at the cost of something then work it backwards ie:

 

£1000 gun is approx £830 + 20% vat (sorry no calculator to hand)

Dealer profit let's say £130 for round numbers sake =£700

Shipping and manufacturer profit etc etc

 

I wouldn't mind betting your £1000 gun cost less than £400 to make

 

So where does that put a £400 new gun!!

[Westley]

Dont think many slag off the Baikal built to last, including there auto.

 

I do know of 1 Baikal auto that has been a source of problems, but they have all been sorted under warranty and the gun (number 3) is now working well.

Oh, and Winchesters are not bad either !