kaunda Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 The majority of FEO's appear to be retired police officers or ex service personnel although there may well be warranted officers out there.What powers of entry,search and seizure do these non-warranted people have ? If any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fse10 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I would of thought none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastiebap Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 All powers can be found im relevant orders/guidance notes. FEO's can't take your firearms, but they can ask for them. However on your refusal the knuckle dragging silverbacks of a TSG search team do have the power to take them when they put your door up the hall lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 They may not have any right to enter if you refuse and I doubt they could insist on searching your property. The right to sieze would go with their job I would think.but also if they wanted to get in bad enough I doubt it would be to much trouble to get a warrant especially as the reason would be firearm related. I would say that being awkward with your fao would lead to nothing but problems for you.atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 X-Men type powers or legal powers while in pursuit of their job? If the latter i would guess they have as much power as a serving cop due to being employed by the crown. If for example they discovered an illegally held firearm i think they would have the right to take it temporarily into their possesion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Why are you asking? Are you in imminent expectation of having your guns seized? What (if anything) are you worried about? Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaunda Posted November 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Just interested,its nice to have an idea of where you stand in this continuing battle with authority,Can't find any references to this in the usual sources so trawl the Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I would co-operate with an FEO, just as if he had "Powers of Constable". Why would anyone not do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) I would co-operate with an FEO, just as if he had "Powers of Constable". Why would anyone not do so? Because he is not a constable, and would need to return with one to execute those powers... I do believe those are the rules and the rules must be there for a reason? http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/criminal/your_rights/500466.html When officers do not need a warrant A police officer does not need to apply for a warrant when entering and searching a premises under Section 17 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. A police officer is able to do this in the following circumstances: When a warrant for arrest has been issued and the police officer has reasonable grounds to believe the individual is on the property. To arrest an individual for a sufficiently serious crime. To recapture any individual who is unlawfully at large. To save an individual’s life or prevent serious damage to a person or property. In addition to the right to enter and search a premises, the police also have a general right to seize items when they are ‘lawfully on a premises’. A police officer is deemed to be lawfully on the premises if they are there with the consent of the occupier or are searching the property with a warrant under section 8, or without a warrant under section 17. Edited November 22, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 HDAV - I agree that there must be a reason, but failure to co-operate would only lead to an escalation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) HDAV - I agree that there must be a reason, but failure to co-operate would only lead to an escalation. Indeed, however there are limits to why and when the police can enter your home. For good reason and there should be no fear of consequence for those who don't want them turning up unannounced. The police have the right to search your property and seize any items that are linked with a crime, but they must do so lawfully. Any search which is not done lawfully will be in breach of Article 8 of the Human Rights Act which protects a suspect’s right to respect for his private and family life. The police must therefore ensure any attempts to search property and seize goods are reasonably necessary and proportionate to the circumstances involved at that time.[/size] Edited November 22, 2014 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Why is it a 'battle against authority' ? You do have the option to give them up ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Why is it a 'battle against authority' ? You do have the option to give them up ! SO you have no problem with any rules they wish to introduce on any basis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p@cman Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I've heard that FEO's have powers similar to David Blaine and can catch bullets with their teeth... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdKujIUFrwc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p@cman Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I've heard that FEO's have powers similar to David Blaine and can catch bullets with their teeth... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdKujIUFrwc ok, he doesn't actually catch it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Why is it a 'battle against authority' ? You do have the option to give them up ! If the authorities said they would pay for your guns your ammunition and even drive you to your chosen venue.there would still be some on here who would find fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Its interesting that some would cooperate even if the FEO was overstepping the mark, in case the FEO might make things difficult for them. Even if the person was within their rights to refuse entry or similar. Even though the police or FEO would have no legal reason make things difficult for the person. Maybe that wouldn't be the case if the shooting organisations and individuals made the police act within their powers and stopped running scared. Edited November 23, 2014 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I would co-operate with an FEO, just as if he had "Powers of Constable". Why would anyone not do so? Because he holds no warrant card and has as much powers as you and I.why would you blindly obey someone with absolutly no more power than yourself?,and yes it is true he can speak to people who will have a warrant card and will then do what they are allowed to under law,but to blindly obey someone with no powers of the crown is foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 There is a massive difference between co-operate and blindly obey. To assume they are the same is foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I can't recall a single case of a fao overstepping the mark as has been suggested. Maybe asked for cabinet to be sited in a better position. An alarm fitted or window locks that type of thing but they are only sensible security suggestions. Who decides what is unreasonable. I believe it unreasonable to be charged over.£400 a year to tax one of my cars but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 X-Men type powers or legal powers while in pursuit of their job? If the latter i would guess they have as much power as a serving cop due to being employed by the crown. If for example they discovered an illegally held firearm i think they would have the right to take it temporarily into their possesion. Ambulance workers and PCSO's are employed by the crown, and they can't take my guns either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Because he holds no warrant card and has as much powers as you and I.why would you blindly obey someone with absolutly no more power than yourself?,and yes it is true he can speak to people who will have a warrant card and will then do what they are allowed to under law,but to blindly obey someone with no powers of the crown is foolish. Magestrate court judges will always refuse to show their oath of office when asked for whatever reason yet people still obey them, for all we know they could be the plumber or cleaner ? Would you obey somebody who told you they were a police officer and refused to show you proof? We would all do it in a court Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I can't recall a single case of a fao overstepping the mark as has been suggested. I would call an FEO calling at someones house unannounced and questioning a family member, or asking to get in to check the firearms if the firearms owner is not there. Especially if the person they ask in under 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 Magestrate court judges will always refuse to show their oath of office when asked for whatever reason yet people still obey them, for all we know they could be the plumber or cleaner ? Would you obey somebody who told you they were a police officer and refused to show you proof? We would all do it in a court Magistrates are appointed and swear an oath,they have limited powers as denotes their position in the courts system,and it is quite easy to check who is or isn't a magistrate. let's not go down the road of FMOTL arguments as they are flawed arguments of the barking mad brigade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 As they are usually civilian employees I doubt FEO's would have any real authority? Its more a gofor (administration) role, it is possible they have some devolved authority though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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