aris Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Call me paranoid, but I think this may well be the beginning of the end of public gun ownership not only in Australia, but the UK. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11293694/Islamists-take-hostages-in-Sydney-cafe-siege-live.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 That is a fairly large leap of association, nutjob taking hostages in a cafe to the banning of public firearm ownership! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 aris,,,,your reading to much mate and getting more and more paranoid each day, what on earth has a guy in a café holding people hostage who has put up a foreign sign got to do with gun ownership in the uk forgive me but I really cant see it affecting gun ownership in our country at all,, you need to get out more mate and realise that not everyone in this world is a nutjob,,,most are but not all :lol: Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Call me paranoid, but I think this may well be the beginning of the end of public gun ownership not only in Australia, but the UK. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11293694/Islamists-take-hostages-in-Sydney-cafe-siege-live.html Your paranoid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Your paranoid! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Cant see any connection with public firearms ownership.unless the guy turns out to be a white convert that has legally owned guns then that will be a very different kettle of fish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Around 40 years ago my shooting mentor, some 40 years older than me said one day......Enjoy what shooting you can because it will never be any better than this. Of course as a no nothing early 20 year old it was just a comment that was politely accepted but quickly forgotten. At that time I owned.... 9mm, .22, .38, .45, .25 pistols. Kalashnikov converted to semi auto. 5 shot shotgun on a SG ticket. .22, .308 and .303 rifles on an open ticket. .410 shot pistol. Shotguns in .410, 16g, 12g, 8g. Now as a 65 year old, I say to the 20 year olds......sadly.......enjoy what shooting you can because it will never be any better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Perhaps I am reading too much into this - but the powers-that-be are also reading into this. It is their job to look into possible scenarios in the UK in the future. They look at all possible and probable scenarios - such as the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Couldn't happen in the UK? I'm sure the Aussies thought what is happening now couldn't happen there either. Of course, we don't have all the details yet, but it sounds like this guy is a 'home-grown' terrorist. Where did he get his guns? Gun laws in Australia are fairly similar to ours. Look at the recent statements by the police with regards to possible 'terrorist' links with the theft of lawful firearms in the UK. Call me paranoid if you wish (really - I don't mind) - but it is a possibility worth considering and our shooting organisations need to be ahead of the curve to head off any further tightening of gun legislation. Edited December 15, 2014 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longspoon Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 It is my belief that further tightening of firearms laws will continue, slowly and inexorably regardless, until ownership of guns will be a thing of the past....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Aris, I said at the time that I would not be surprised if there was a more specific threat that the authorities were aware of and this prompted the latest 'campaign' around random visits, etc. Even so I don't believe that this incident would materially change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 grrclark - fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Considering how restrictive gun ownership is currently in Australia, comparing matters to here is a bit misleading. Yes, gun laws in Australia are even more strict than here, to a large extent. In Australia, you need to show 'good reason' for anything - air guns, shotgun, rifle, pistol, anything at all. If you can show good reason, and pass the personal and security checks, then you can have anything apart from self-loading or full-auto CF rifles. My sister and her husband (in Queensland) have 9mm pistols, shotguns, a couple of rifles, a shot pistol, all for pest control (dingo, snakes, etc) and personal safety on their farm. Animal attacks are not unknown in rural Australia. Also, we've no idea at present if this person has a replica, real firearms, or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Aris, I said at the time that I would not be surprised if there was a more specific threat that the authorities were aware of and this prompted the latest 'campaign' around random visits, etc. Even so I don't believe that this incident would materially change anything. This one - no but it is another nail in the coffin. We won't get a Dunblane style knee jerk reaction, but it just adds more fuel to the fire when anything else happens. If this sort of home-grown terrorist becomes a trend internationally (and we have seen several incidents of it around the world), I think we could see further restrictions. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) More restrictions would have little or no effect on this type of situation. Terrorists have pistols and semi auto rifles. I don't think they apply for a licence and go to a gun shop. Arms are readily available for those who choose to get them. Edited December 15, 2014 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 More restrictions would have little or no effect on this type of situation. Terrorists have pistols and semi auto rifles. I don't think they apply for a licence and go to a gun shop. Arms are readily available for those who choose to get them. You are right - but since when did that logic stop any of the previous restrictions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRRushton Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 What about this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-29852794 , i though this would of had a diverse effect agains uk gun laws. Still waiting for my sgc grant visit, stuff like this makes me feel like i applyed at the worst time.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 The man should not have had the guns, which has been accepted by the Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Time to reverse those restrictive Australian gun laws methinks. The same would happen in Britain as well should ISIS decide to strike, at least in Australia the police regularly carry firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Around 40 years ago my shooting mentor, some 40 years older than me said one day......Enjoy what shooting you can because it will never be any better than this. Of course as a no nothing early 20 year old it was just a comment that was politely accepted but quickly forgotten. At that time I owned.... 9mm, .22, .38, .45, .25 pistols. Kalashnikov converted to semi auto. 5 shot shotgun on a SG ticket. .22, .308 and .303 rifles on an open ticket. .410 shot pistol. Shotguns in .410, 16g, 12g, 8g. Now as a 65 year old, I say to the 20 year olds......sadly.......enjoy what shooting you can because it will never be any better than this. I say that this is a defeatist attitude, restrictive gun laws have been turned back in prevous dictatorships. Look at Russia for example. I am willing to enjoy what I have now and campaign for what I will get in the future, that is how I look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I very much doubt that this chap holding hostages in Australia will emerge alive, I hope he is the only casualty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Tightchoke - totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 There's definitely a few here who wouldn't look out of place in the backwoods US - it doesn't matter if it's a heightened terror alert or their bins changing to fortnightly collections everything is "they're coming for our guns" Yes we have heavy restrictions but those things "banned" in this country I would say all fail the 'good reason' test anyway, does anyone have good reason for a semi auto centre fire? I can't think of anything a straight pull or bolt wouldn't cover? Same with handguns, those that can prove good reason can still have them, what else do you need one for? Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the knee jerk legislation post Hungerford and Dunblane but if I was the one in power I can't say I wouldn't make the same decisions. As long as good reason is the test I think we're going to be okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 There's definitely a few here who wouldn't look out of place in the backwoods US - it doesn't matter if it's a heightened terror alert or their bins changing to fortnightly collections everything is "they're coming for our guns" Yes we have heavy restrictions but those things "banned" in this country I would say all fail the 'good reason' test anyway, does anyone have good reason for a semi auto centre fire? I can't think of anything a straight pull or bolt wouldn't cover? Same with handguns, those that can prove good reason can still have them, what else do you need one for? Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the knee jerk legislation post Hungerford and Dunblane but if I was the one in power I can't say I wouldn't make the same decisions. As long as good reason is the test I think we're going to be okay You are the reason we will lose the remainder of our gun rights. Why does everything have to be about needing a reason? You are wrong on handguns I can't have any for target shooting, unless you are part of a tiny olympic elite and even then the guns have to be kept at a range, you're not trusted to take your guns home with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fella Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 He had over 30 convictions. He should not have had guns legally, and I'm not even sure he did? Either way, I doubt he'll come out of that building in any other premise than horizontally in a box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 There are several threads running on UK Gun Laws in other sections of the forum. Please post on those if you wish to discuss that subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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