welsh1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 All that is needed is a bit of common sense,if you are in a saloon car be it a DB9 or mini just lock it out of sight in your boot,if you drive an estate then if you haven't got a pull screen across the load area buy one they don't cost much,if you drive a van or pickup get a tool chest fitted and bolt it to the floor if you intend to leave your guns for any length of time,out of sight out of mind. And Vince be careful peeing into a bottle in a service area there are lots of cameras watching you,in 6 years of parking overnight 3 days a week in the service stations my navara with a lid on the back was never touched,blacked out back windows so no one could see inside.If no one knows you have guns then it is highly unlikely that you will be targeted, but parking away from the rest of the cars and peeing in a bottle or furtively walking around your vehicle is going to attract a lot more attention as you are acting suspiciously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 i can't believe that some have read this post and have heard that a firearm has been stolen out of a vehicle because the owner left it in there out of sight, and they are commenting "I do that most of the time after a shoot" Why are they not think hmmm perhaps I might invest in some security or I might start trying to park it in sight, instead of that's just being paranoid lol If your guns get stolen out of your car it's YOU that faces the problems ahead. I suppose some aren't to bothered about it as that's what it's coming accross like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 hands up all the people who have never left a gun in the car while they go in field with bins for a reccy?I have an estate car for shootin no where to hide guns only on the floor in the rear passenger well,so anyone having a close look in might see them,,so am I irresponsible cos I got nowhere to hide them? So if anyone can see them on a close look a scumbag might steal your guns and that's that. Whether you or anybody else think that you are or are not irresponsible doesn't change the fact that once your gun is stolen its your problem and you may lose your right to own them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So I park my car, hide my gun and lock it the car which sets the alarm. While I am in the shop buying another water bottle cause the one in the car is full of pee someone breaks the window and steals my gun. I report it to the police They turn up and throw a heavy book at me. I point out that I did hide my gun and lock the car which sets the alarm and am a very responsible person they let me carry on with my life and I claim off my insurance and get a nice new gun. I am trying to see the down side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So I park my car, hide my gun and lock it the car which sets the alarm. While I am in the shop buying another water bottle cause the one in the car is full of pee someone breaks the window and steals my gun. I report it to the police They turn up and throw a heavy book at me. I point out that I did hide my gun and lock the car which sets the alarm and am a very responsible person they let me carry on with my life and I claim off my insurance and get a nice new gun. I am trying to see the down side. Of course there is no down side all it means is some criminal is running around with a stolen firearm you never know maybe they might even use it on someone.So no all is good. Or does that not happen in your world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mick.j Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 A bit of perspective needs to be seen here - For those who just 'pop into' a shop on the way to or from a shoot to buy something with the gun safely locked away out of sight, the chances of you having your gun nicked is pretty minimal to say the least. For those who regularly go to the pub/inn (or whatever) after a shoot for an hour or two, there may/will be a higher chance/risk of someone knowing who has or has not a weapon in there vehicle due to a regular habit. I mean, who else goes past a pub and sees 4x4's and other vehicles with mud over them and thinks - bet they have just come from a shoot!! Also vans are targeted mainly for tools anything else is a bonus. So i would think a little bit of extra security would not go amiss. The onus is on you to keep your weapon/s SAFE. This is only my opinion and its down to the individual to satisfy him/herself that there weapon is adequately secure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Of course there is no down side all it means is some criminal is running around with a stolen firearm you never know maybe they might even use it on someone.So no all is good. Or does that not happen in your world. That would be bad. But on the plus side a shinny new shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 The article says it was stolen from a Ford Connect van: It appears to have no rear windows. So possible scenarios: - He left the gun on the front seat? If so, highly irresponsible. - He left his shooting coat on the front seat - someone went for this and then found the gun in the van. - Someone knew he was shooting and deliberately targeted his van - Someone was after tools - but saw the gun and took that too or instead. Seeing as how this happened in a car park and presumably needed to get whatever they were after and out of there quickly - I'm not sure they were after a van load of tools. I'll be honest, it is a worry when I park my car. I typically try to go home first, but if that is not possible, alarm on the car. Car is inconspicuous (no BASC or other shooting related stickers). I try to park in places where I can keep an eye on it. If necessary, I have a lockable rubberised chain which I can loop through the trigger guard and through a seat mount or similar. This won't deter a determined thief with time - but it will certainly thwart a chancer - particularly if the alarm is going off. Take the forend with me too if i can't keep an eye on the car. Paranoid? Better safe than sorry. There are options of course - check out the Napier Protector 2 Secure gunslip which is a variant of the Protector 2 Smart Slip. Very nifty - it is a Takedown gunslip (so fits nicely in your boot - even a DB9 i would think), extends out to be a full-sized slip for when you need to sling it fully assemebled, and also has an integral locking hasp which fits through the trigger guard, and you can then secure to something in the car. http://www.napieruk.com/acatalog/Security.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 a very quick google also shows many connects with back windows https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=transit+connect&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Xx_NVLSDL6KC7gaWl4CoBg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 a very quick google also shows many connects with back windows https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=transit+connect&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Xx_NVLSDL6KC7gaWl4CoBg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ True - there is a 5 seat variant. But the police report did say van. http://www.ford.co.uk/CommercialVehicles/All-New-Transit-Connect/Models Regardless, if it was in view, it is irresponsible. I'm going to guess it wasn't - seeing as how it would (in theory) have alot of space in the back to store the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parapilot Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 We all do it, nip into get coffee / breakfast at mcdonals in morning on way to shoot, into shop to get butty, a quick bite to eat on way home etc etc. You would prob cause more of an issue taking firearms into these places that avoiding any attention having them hidden in boot. He's been unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69chris Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 if in view i agree totally, lets just not help the antis by condeming the chap until/if all details are known Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 of course its the first ever van to be broken into by scroats just to see if there is anything inside worth stealing and as vans nearly all have windows its the easiest way to gain fast access for a quick root around . as long as he took all reasonable precautions to secure his gun what has he done wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I spoke to the guy concerned today. The pub is very popular with shooting parties during the season. The car park had several vehicles in it, 4x 4's and pick ups as well as his van. His van was the only one broken into, also the only one which did not look like a shooters vehicle, the police suspect the thieves were looking for power tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Just to put afew things straight hear as it was a mate of mine. they had been shooting and they had gone to the pub after the shoot he was only washing his wand pee brake and having a glass of coke as he had a two hour drive back home he was"t in the pub very long his van has no back windows and has a half bulk head the gun was layed tight up behind that in a slip and his coat thrown over the top of it. nothing could be seen throw either window. His was the only VAN in the car park the rest was 4x4s the drivers window was smashed ( maybe thinking there would be tools in the van ) and took his gun an coat Humberside police did"t turn up for four hours. and he had a wet and cold 2 hours drive home. I know all what i know as i shot with him today he will NOT be losing his tickets over the matter yes hes had some **** over it all but no more than you would expect but he only did what hundreds of people do myself included. And thas all i have to say on the matter PS i haven't read every post just the first few but i would think the keyboard worriers will be out saying hang him an so on making him out to be in the wrong all i can say is and go and do some actual shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) I spoke to the guy concerned today. the police suspect the thieves were looking for power tools. So what is the story regarding the plod? are they blaming him for not keeping it secure or are they just classing it as a theft that he had take enough precations to reasonably prevent? I was typing this as the above (previous) post answered my question. Well all he's got to look forward to is claiming that nice new purdy on the insurance. lets hope that he has enough cover to replace whatever he had. Most insurance tries to slide out of it somehow. Edited January 31, 2015 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I spoke to the guy concerned today. The pub is very popular with shooting parties during the season. The car park had several vehicles in it, 4x 4's and pick ups as well as his van. His van was the only one broken into, also the only one which did not look like a shooters vehicle, the police suspect the thieves were looking for power tools. Which one was you then scolopax ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I spoke to the guy concerned today. The pub is very popular with shooting parties during the season. The car park had several vehicles in it, 4x 4's and pick ups as well as his van. His van was the only one broken into, also the only one which did not look like a shooters vehicle, the police suspect the thieves were looking for power tools. think iv got you sussed out now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangey Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Just to put afew things straight hear as it was a mate of mine. they had been shooting and they had gone to the pub after the shoot he was only washing his wand pee brake and having a glass of coke as he had a two hour drive back home he was"t in the pub very long his van has no back windows and has a half bulk head the gun was layed tight up behind that in a slip and his coat thrown over the top of it. nothing could be seen throw either window. His was the only VAN in the car park the rest was 4x4s the drivers window was smashed ( maybe thinking there would be tools in the van ) and took his gun an coat Humberside police did"t turn up for four hours. and he had a wet and cold 2 hours drive home. I know all what i know as i shot with him today he will NOT be losing his tickets over the matter yes hes had some **** over it all but no more than you would expect but he only did what hundreds of people do myself included. And thas all i have to say on the matter PS i haven't read every post just the first few but i would think the keyboard worriers will be out saying hang him an so on making him out to be in the wrong all i can say is and go and do some actual shooting couldn't agree more,ive done it for years and will carry on doing it,,,if all your gona do is worry about what if this and what if that go fishing instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 couldn't agree more,ive done it for years and will carry on doing it,,,if all your gona do is worry about what if this and what if that go fishing instead Well said that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Really glad ur mate is not going to lose his ticket over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Extremely efficient service on the part of the police all sorted in a couple of days.praise where it's due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) its a bit of an odd thing really. i appreciate that people will get caught short occasionally and need to stop while having a gun onboard, but not sure i'd feel happy leaving mine locked in my car while im in the pub. in fact, if i have my gun in the car, i wouldnt even think about leaving it locked in there while popping in to the local. hell, i wont even stop for fuel if i have it with me. i suppose everyone is different though. each to their own though. i bet he wont leave a gun in his van again though. Edited February 2, 2015 by brett1985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davegc Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 When I had the visit, was told if I had to leave the car with said shotgun (pump as I told him what type I was after) inside, that to take the bolt with me and the rest, locked via a bike type lock to any strong point. Within the motor. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 im betting your a traffic warden,,and wear a blue peter badge,,, I think the smiley suggests a hint of irony... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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