colin lad Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Been lambing this week for a farmer who's land I shoot on when he told me about this, The local hunt use his land on occasions and on this one the dogs that are normally invited had kennel cough so they used dogs from Ipswich, it seems one of the dogs picked up the scent of a cwd, Now the farm is on a large Estate as he is a Tennant farmer and the estates game keeper who does cwd stalks see the dog chasing this deer so shot it and from what I have been told he didn't kill it outright and finnished it off with his knife, His excuse for shooting the dog was he thought it was someone out with lurchers deer coursing and couldn't see properly as the sun was in his eyes, Sounds to me like someone is in the poop Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 What I can never understand in these situations,is how,when a dog is tearing after something,you can get a safe shot off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Hopefully the owners will report it as he needs a ticking off for this one Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 When a farmer shoots a dog for worrying sheep,do they beckon them over and then execute them? Serious question, as I once had a terrier of mine going crazy amongst my mates sheep,and thought there's no way anybody could shoot this.Cost me a good drink that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 If he couldn't see properly how did he know it was safe to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Irrespective of whether it was a Lurcher, a hunt dog or the Hound of the Baskervilles if the sun was in his eyes, and he couldn't identify what he was shooting at, he shouldn't have pulled the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Sounds like our local hunt chasing more deer than foxes. I'm surprised he didn't just keep quiet, can't see the hunt pushing things too far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynny Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Sun in his eyes , that's a pitiful excuse, Not excusing his behaviour but maybe a bit of communication with the keeper before the hunt might have given him a heads up, He could have then ####ed the hunt master for not controlling his hound, and might not have shot it, Still not right though, Hope your well Colin, get them CWD In the larder it will stop dogs chasing them ha ha ha, Atb Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadbreakfast Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 When a farmer shoots a dog for worrying sheep,do they beckon them over and then execute them? Serious question, as I once had a terrier of mine going crazy amongst my mates sheep,and thought there's no way anybody could shoot this.Cost me a good drink that one. We see dogs attacking sheep regular on a friends farm and most we could get a shot off. The last one we had we got to the field and saw the dog with the sheep pinned to the floor pulling it's wool out. When we got there half it's ear was missing and it's guts was hanging out. Still alive. So if a dog is seen attacking sheep now the rifle goes aswell. Signs everywhere saying keep your dog on the lead but they still choose not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 It couldn`t have been that bright the sun, other wise he wouldn`t have been shooting that good either. Needs a word in his ear.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 We see dogs attacking sheep regular on a friends farm and most we could get a shot off. The last one we had we got to the field and saw the dog with the sheep pinned to the floor pulling it's wool out. When we got there half it's ear was missing and it's guts was hanging out. Still alive. So if a dog is seen attacking sheep now the rifle goes aswell. Signs everywhere saying keep your dog on the lead but they still choose not to. First and last time I've ever brayed a dog. She didn't do it again. The farmer on the moors behind our house has just lost two sheep to worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Think the keeper did the hunt a favour there's no place for a dog like that if it hunts the wrong quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Think the keeper did the hunt a favour there's no place for a dog like that if it hunts the wrong quarry. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 48 hours to report it isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 48 hours to report it isn't it? If this is still the current and correct legislation, then yes http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/22 9 Killing of or injury to dogs worrying livestock.E+W (1)In any civil proceedings against a person (in this section referred to as the defendant) for killing or causing injury to a dog it shall be a defence to prove— (a)that the defendant acted for the protection of any livestock and was a person entitled to act for the protection of that livestock; and ( b )that within forty-eight hours of the killing or injury notice thereof was given by the defendant to the officer in charge of a police station. 11 General interpretation.E+W In this Act— “livestock” means cattle, horses, *****, mules, hinnies, sheep, pigs, goats and poultry, and also deer not in the wild state and, in sections 3 and 9, also, while in captivity, pheasants, partridges and grouse; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Some years ago a gun on the shoot, shot / injured his own dog that was working cover. His excuse was that he THOUGHT it was a Charlie . And another incident was on a driven Charlie shoot; this bloke kept pointing his gun into cover. He then had a single shot. When the drive was over we went over to him and asked " where is it then". He replied that he just THOUGHT that he saw something moving UNIDENTIFIED TARGET. In the first incident the gun rushed the dog off to the vet and never shot on the shoot again and I think gave up and in the second the bloke got a damned good ear bashing and was always made to walk or put right out on the flank well away from the drive. Again he gave up soon afterwards. The rule is >> DO NOT SHOOT UNTIL YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THE TARGET. It only takes a second. Always better not to shoot than risk a dangerous shot with possible serious consequences. You can always pick that Charlie up whilst out night shooting because you know that he is in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Come on does anyone really believe he hadn't properly identified it? Hunt or not you still can't shoot dogs chasing deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 We also saw a lame fox Wednesday midday on looking through the binos noticed it had lost the bottom of it's rear leg on the same farm, makes you wonder if it was the same keepers doings Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Irrespective of whether it was a Lurcher, a hunt dog or the Hound of the Baskervilles if the sun was in his eyes, and he couldn't identify what he was shooting at, he shouldn't have pulled the trigger. http://www.ruger.com/safety/fathersAdvice.html As true now as the day it was written! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markr Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 if he couldn't see clear due to sun why did he take the shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Fenton!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 We also saw a lame fox Wednesday midday on looking through the binos noticed it had lost the bottom of it's rear leg on the same farm, makes you wonder if it was the same keepers doings Colin Why does it make u wonder that?? Do u think the keeper really goes round trying to shoot the back legs of foxes and leaving them living?? Is it not far more likely to have been caught in a fence and either snapped/chewed its rear leg off. I occasionally see deer with bottom part of rear legs missing, i do not persume it was the stalker. Occasionally/sometimes more often find deer dead or alive hung up in fences it does happen as it does with foxes, i killed 1 about 6 months ago hung up in a fence. The keeper could get in a lot of bother for wot he has done, absolutlely no defence for shooting a dog/hound from chasing a wild deer, just the same as no defence for shooting a dog chasing pheasants or other game birds (even in pen if not roof netted is a fairly grey area) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 The .223 stops a dog from worrying sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 Coulsd also mean u lose ur ticket unless firarms and ammo is conditioned for it. Shooting a dog should be the last choice and if u have a chance use a shotgun as laws are far simplier, involving conditions etc. But is a total minefield unless u know the and understand the law 100%. If that was a pet dog the keeper would be in very dodgy ground, or if the huntsman wanted to press charges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted February 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Why does it make u wonder that?? Do u think the keeper really goes round trying to shoot the back legs of foxes and leaving them living?? Is it not far more likely to have been caught in a fence and either snapped/chewed its rear leg off. I occasionally see deer with bottom part of rear legs missing, i do not persume it was the stalker. Occasionally/sometimes more often find deer dead or alive hung up in fences it does happen as it does with foxes, i killed 1 about 6 months ago hung up in a fence. The keeper could get in a lot of bother for wot he has done, absolutlely no defence for shooting a dog/hound from chasing a wild deer, just the same as no defence for shooting a dog chasing pheasants or other game birds (even in pen if not roof netted is a fairly grey area) i do not know the keeper that well but know people that do i have heard a few stories and that is why it makes me wonder and as you say it could well of caught it in a fence but for now i shall carry on wondering colin Edited February 9, 2015 by colin lad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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