la bala Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Most of us fly, it could have happened to any of us. R.I.P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Most of us fly, it could have happened to any of us. R.I.P 16 school children on board too. Utter tragedy RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Shocking news. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest newarcher1 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 terrible news RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 16 school children on board too. Utter tragedy RIP dreadful, may the families eventually come to terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 awful event and heart saddening for those poor souls. flying with the wife and kids this friday. seems unexplanable at this stage. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margun Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Very strange with no mayday call. Luckily FDR and VCR are both recovered so hopefully we'll have answers soon. RIP to those involved. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liamey Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Extremely sad. May they RIP and their families and friends find answers to this tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 On news now. Hells teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Two babies on board and those children. callous as it may seem I am unmoved by the deaths of adults but when small people lose their lives it seems doubly unjust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daystate 177 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 My Mrs is on a course today regarding this sad loss she is a Lufthansa staff Our thoughts go out to the family and friends of all those involved directly or in directly, Always make sure you leave home on a good note as it end up been your last good bye RIP adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Most of us fly, it could have happened to any of us. R.I.PUtterly awful for the families but thankfully plane crashes are still very rare. My wife and I were in the air when it came down and it really made me think that it could so easily have been us leaving our kids as orphans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I'm not a keen flyer anymore. I'll do it, but never as carefree as I used to be. I thought it was just an age thing until I was given the opportunity to go abroad by myself last year and realised the reticence I had come to accept as an age thing wasn't there. It was then I realised it was since I'd become a Dad. My daughter is now 18 and is going abroad with some mates later this year to Amsterdam and from there to Barcelona. I'm not looking forward to her going. Like I say, going on my won doesn't effect me, but taking them to Turkey last year I now an again wondered if I was doing the right thing. The OH thinks I'm as daft as the kids do. I keep telling myself my fears are irrational and illogical, and I know they are, and my kids think it's hilarious, but if something does go wrong 'up there' then there is only one result, and that is that the plane HAS to come down. I mentioned to my OH last night that all those bodies, whether complete or otherwise, would have to be left out on the mountainside until search parties could locate them in daylight the following day (today) and thereby susceptible to all manner of nocturnal predation. That seemed to effect her more than the crash. I've only seen the reports as they have been projected on the news, and those were bad enough, but saw a redtop leader this morning in the newsagents which shouted in big letters '8 minutes of terror'. Leaving what I think of the papers aside, the parents of those children killed being aware of this must be beyond consolation. My thoughts are with them. Horrible horrible ordeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I have never flown on a commercial flight. Im not scared of flying, clocked a few hours with cadets and loved it. The thought of getting a flight fills me with utter dread. It was lockerbie that did it. People found naked strapped in their seats, it was reported that some were still locked in embrace. Awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 my ex takes my daughter's on long haul twice a year and I'm a bunch of nerves til I know they have landed. losing a family members on a routine journey makes me paranoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 very bad theres been to many downed planes just lately rip those that died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 You have to remember, and accept it as the fact that it is, that the most dangerous part of a flight is your drive to the airport. More people were killed on the roads yesterday than as a result of aviation. It's the numbers involved in any one incident and the manner that make it so terrible. If the media reported on all the deaths on the roads then there would be no room for any more news. It is tragic but aviation is still, statistically, very safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 How do Airbus compare with Boeing and McDonnell Douglas safety wise? Haven't seen any figures, but Airbus do seem to be suffering a lot more crashes of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Strange reports on the news this morning, one of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit and was trying to smash down the door. What was going on there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Strange reports on the news this morning, one of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit and was trying to smash down the door. What was going on there? Does seem odd especially with no mayday call, you can't help but wonder what may come out next regarding the pilot left in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Strange reports on the news this morning, one of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit and was trying to smash down the door. What was going on there? Tempting to jump to the conclusion that the exclusion was intentional and the pilot had decided to end it all and take his passengers with him. Bit like the possible conclusion on the Malaysian flight which ran out of fuel. I wouldnt think suicide is a conclusion anyone wants to reach - it cant be proved and would destroy a chunk of the air flight market. I note Lufthansa are quoted as "being unwilling to jump to conclusions". If, as speculated, and the other pilot was locked out for a reason, it casts a rather different light on what it must have been like in the last 8 minutes for all but one on board. Not to be contemplated. - RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 How do Airbus compare with Boeing and McDonnell Douglas safety wise? Haven't seen any figures, but Airbus do seem to be suffering a lot more crashes of late. . They say that one takes off or lands every two seconds so its hardly surprising. Labradors were statistically the most dangerous dogs in the UK for a while. Nothing to do with temperement, loads of people had them. I think it was in the mid eighties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Tempting to jump to the conclusion that the exclusion was intentional and the pilot had decided to end it all and take his passengers with him. Bit like the possible conclusion on the Malaysian flight which ran out of fuel. I wouldnt think suicide is a conclusion anyone wants to reach - it cant be proved and would destroy a chunk of the air flight market. I note Lufthansa are quoted as "being unwilling to jump to conclusions". If, as speculated, and the other pilot was locked out for a reason, it casts a rather different light on what it must have been like in the last 8 minutes for all but one on board. Not to be contemplated. - RIP. I was talking to a retired police officer some years back in one of the clubhouses at Bisley about his career and the cases he had dealt with and he said some of the most baffling were the suicides. Many were fairly obvious, bankruptcy, divorce, illness etc but others were totally without any obvious explaination and appeared to be just done on the spur of the moment. A lot of murders were the same. There is something in the human mind that just snaps I have never forgotten that conversation Forgive me if I am wrong, maybe an aircraft buff can confirm, an Airbus is fly by wire, it wont descend until somebody tells it to and at what rate? is that right? You can't just black out and let go of the controls? Edited March 26, 2015 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) I was talking to a retired police officer some years back in one of the clubhouses at Bisley about his career and the cases he had dealt with and he said some of the most baffling were the suicides. Many were fairly obvious, bankruptcy, divorce, illness etc but others were totally without any obvious explaination and appeared to be just done on the spur of the moment. A lot of murders were the same. There is something in the human mind that just snaps I have never forgotten that conversation Forgive me if I am wrong, maybe an aircraft buff can confirm, an Airbus is fly by wire, it wont descend until somebody tells it to and at what rate? is that right? You can't just black out and let go of the controls? Listened to an 'expert' answer that very question - the slow glide would have to be initiated by the pilot. The voice recorder hears noises of the other pilot banging on the door for access, then a period of no conversation, just the final cockpit warning of 'too low'. There is another scenario which occurs based on your comments - maybe there was an emotional reason for the remaining pilots decision, if that's what it was -pending divorce, wife having an affair (possibly with crew member), unrequited affection/ etc.with another crew member ? I am sure they will look for this type of explanation, if the focus on deliberate act grows stronger, as seems inevitable. How absolutely awful for the relatives - I begin to wonder if someone knows something we dont, given the very focused response on the families and the initial message from the French president that he "did not expect there would be survivors". Could be the terrain - could be .............. Edit sps Edited March 26, 2015 by jimmydean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 From BBC News a few minutes ago: The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed into the French Alps wanted to "destroy the plane", French investigators have said. French prosecutors, citing information from the cockpit voice recorder said the co-pilot took sole control of plane and intentionally started its descent. The pilot had just left the cockpit and was locked out. Neither of the names of the pilot or co-pilot have been released. The co-pilot was alive until the final impact, the prosecutors added. The Airbus 320 from Barcelona to Duesseldorf hit a mountain on Tuesday after a rapid eight-minute descent. Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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