armsid Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 just a debate about how would britain survive out of the eu. i think we could prosper trading with europe outside the eu cash guzzling monster. your comments please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Thats where experts disagree with each other. Bit of a risk to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Thats where experts disagree with each other. Bit of a risk to find out. lot of a risk not to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Better in than out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Better out than in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 It would be a disaster for industry and commerce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I simply don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I have mixed thoughts on it, but want to see a referendum so we can have the debate properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pothunter Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I have mixed thoughts on it, but want to see a referendum so we can have the debate properly. Yes that would settle it once and for all. Like in Scotland. [i'll stop now, I promise. That was my last foray.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yes that would settle it once and for all. Like in Scotland. [i'll stop now, I promise. That was my last foray.] I know, depressingly accurate. The neverendum referendum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Free to trade with the rest of the world without restrictive terms being placed on us by the eu,the world is bigger than just the eu and we have the commonwealth and good relations with America ,Europe wants to trade with us because we buy a lot of their products so there will be no hike in prices or taxes on goods otherwise they are cutting their own throat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yes that would settle it once and for all. Like in Scotland. [i'll stop now, I promise. That was my last foray.] Or Moray if it's Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I simply don't know. That I have mixed thoughts on it, but want to see a referendum so we can have the debate properly. And that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 No need to be in a political union to trade. No need at all. No other trading block does it...but the EU isn't about trade, it's about security, (not least keeping Germany in check). Strength in numbers and all that. Of course to achieve that goal all EU countries would have to sign over their sovereignty to Brussels, which is exactly what we've been doing bit by bit, year on year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
besty57 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Free to trade with the rest of the world without restrictive terms being placed on us by the eu,the world is bigger than just the eu and we have the commonwealth and good relations with America ,Europe wants to trade with us because we buy a lot of their products so there will be no hike in prices or taxes on goods otherwise they are cutting their own throat.. Yes exactly .its scaremongering to frighten the public into staying in the eu.as has been said how much trade is done with Germany alone.do you think they would not want to trade with us because we have left the eu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Better in than out Depends on what we are talking about . Neither Conservative or Labour have any intention of leaving the eu. ... Both parties have far too much financial interest to allow us to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) If we had a referendrum the vote to leave would be massive but would those people who voted have any real idea what they were voting for? Or would it just be a 'naughty vote' with people getting caught up in something they dont understand? Without the UK financial contribution the EU would collapse and the whole zone would be destabilised. Edited March 31, 2015 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Personally we send goods allover and the simple fact is Europe is dead easy no duties to pay no taxes, start shipping outside and everything has a bucket load more paperwork and everyone wants their cut. Business will definitely be worse off if we leave, much as I hate the amount we pay in the best option is we keep it as honest as we can and have a leader not scared to argue with Brussels which funnily enough we seem to have. As individuals we can travel and work within it is certainly a bonus if you use it, if you never leave your village then you won't see much of the benefits...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I've just got back from a week in Italy and I'm still trying to get my head round it - I have no idea how the country manages to run itself or get by. It's on its knees skint and there's no productivity because they have the work ethic of the Greeks and the benal mindless bureaucracy of any Euro nation. I spent the week thanking the gods that we didn't get further drawn in or join the Euro. It's been an eye opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Personally we send goods allover and the simple fact is Europe is dead easy no duties to pay no taxes, start shipping outside and everything has a bucket load more paperwork and everyone wants their cut. Business will definitely be worse off if we leave, much as I hate the amount we pay in the best option is we keep it as honest as we can and have a leader not scared to argue with Brussels which funnily enough we seem to have. As individuals we can travel and work within it is certainly a bonus if you use it, if you never leave your village then you won't see much of the benefits...... People want to trade with us but in all cases we are restricted by our membership of the EU ,it is they who decide if we can trade and that is only accepted if the whole of the EU is included in the deal so there is no advantage to be gained by the UK ,if we were an individual we would negotiate our own trading agreements and terms. As for a leader prepared to argue for us,that is a joke,he can posture and shout as much as he likes,the truth is there is nothing he can really do,he holds no real power within the EU as it has been slowly signed away,we are in effect just a satellite state. As for working abroad,people have done that forever,granted it would be slightly more difficult,but not impossible,lots of people work in the USA and seem to be ok,in fact I have a brother working in Singapore one relative in Australia and a good mate working in Florida,they all earn good money and none of it is down to the EU.I lived in Germany when the DM was king and there were border crossings to Belgium and France,everyone still traded,and people still moved across borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Personally we send goods allover and the simple fact is Europe is dead easy no duties to pay no taxes, start shipping outside and everything has a bucket load more paperwork and everyone wants their cut. Business will definitely be worse off if we leave, much as I hate the amount we pay in the best option is we keep it as honest as we can and have a leader not scared to argue with Brussels which funnily enough we seem to have. As individuals we can travel and work within it is certainly a bonus if you use it, if you never leave your village then you won't see much of the benefits...... You're right when you say it's easier to trade with Europe with no duties/taxes etc. BUT there is no need whatsoever to be in a political union to do so. The whole project is out of control. The countries of Europe are far too diverse financially and culturally for the project to work. It should be about trade, and trade only. If we have a skills shortage then by all means import labour, but on a needs basis only, and through a system of work permits. On another note, if we have a skills shortage maybe we should be looking at our education system as opposed to importing labour to address the problem? Personally I have no problem with a 'common market' and I suspect that's the view of the vast majority. But what we have at the moment is an out of control behemoth on a power trip and full of its own self importance. It will all end in tears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydean Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I, like many, havent the detailed knowledge to decide without a debate (a proper one). Still it didnt stop the Scots who had - no facts, no certainty, no currency, massive debt, insignificant trading and political clout and a massive public sector. I don't want to make the decision on prejudice alone. I also dont like leaps in the dark (I'm not Scots) but am up for a risk with a better future resulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carman06 Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I think unfortunately there are too many EU member states being carried by too few member states. Without the EU I think we would be more stable and progress faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I think unfortunately there are too many EU member states being carried by too few member states. Without the EU I think we would be more stable and progress faster. Thats exactly true but if we pulled out the rest of the EU would blackball us and do everything in its power to damage our trading position out of sheer bloody mindedness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Thats exactly true but if we pulled out the rest of the EU would blackball us and do everything in its power to damage our trading position out of sheer bloody mindedness If it survives with one less net contributor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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