grrclark Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I think its called common humanity, empathy and a interest in the wider world. I haven't seen anyone on this thread preach to another country, we were asked if it was right and we have given our thoughts. If the Indonesian government read PW then perhaps they will laugh, but somehow I think we are pretty low on their to-do list. Really, you don't think that international leaders read our ramblings? :( I am so disappointed... Maybe just as well Nicola Sturgeon doesn't, I would have the SNP police at my door and be whisked away to a darkened room for a sound thrashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Surely it's only a good point if there were fewer murders, rapes, muggings and thefts in his country. Very unlikely indeed. The death penalty may not always act as a deterrent to those that are determine to commit heinous acts of crime but it will go a long way to stop re-offending and if for no other reason should be retained by society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Really, you don't think that international leaders read our ramblings? :( I am so disappointed... Maybe just as well Nicola Sturgeon doesn't, I would have the SNP police at my door and be whisked away to a darkened room for a sound thrashing. You're having horny thoughts about Nicola Sturgeon? She's like Rab C Nesbitts Mrs with extra wrinkles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 You're having horny thoughts about Nicola Sturgeon? She's like Rab C Nesbitts Mrs with extra wrinkles. Jesus man, what do you take me for! I am happy to be accused of many things, but that is beyond the pale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Gordon, i have a masters of chemistry, i have worked in the medical industry for the last 3 years. Before you tell me how well educated i am, its probably best you ask about my education beforehand. If anybody looks ill educated, it would be yourself. Your blatant refusal to acknowledge the academic studies i have posted shows nothing other than ignorance and stubbornness to accept the truth. They aren't exactly the qualities of the enlightened person you like to pretend you are. I have thought of the pressure on fieldsports. Hence why i felt the need to put a representation across that not everybody who participates fieldsports are vengeful, violent individuals who would get satisfaction from the death of another person. Fair enough welsh1 Im going to leave this thread as it is. I have made my point. Im sure you will enjoy having the last word gordon. Mr Sheen, I come from what you would call a well educated family, your masters would be just another one here, nothing special. What I have found though to be honest is that education and common sense do not always go hand in hand. And with regard to the academic studies you seem to have so much faith in, it wasn't too long ago that these very same "academic studies" stated the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth.. Academic studies and papers always seem to leave that very important last sentence out, the one that says "as we know at this time". And of course, you have to allow for downright manipulation of studies to suit a particular agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Some interesting points made, which have made me revisit my own views. That said, far too many concentrate on the fate of criminals, rather than their victims. Just a little odd. Who are the victims? Druggies who buy heroin? Just as bad as the smugglers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Really, you don't think that international leaders read our ramblings? :( I am so disappointed... Maybe just as well Nicola Sturgeon doesn't, I would have the SNP police at my door and be whisked away to a darkened room for a sound thrashing. I think the worst punishment you could suffer would be ,to be locked in a room with Nicola and Alex for a whole day . I am sure you would emerge as a drivelling idiot totally brain washed . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Jesus man, what do you take me for! I am happy to be accused of many things, but that is beyond the pale. Well you didn't make it clear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I think that there is much 'lumping in' of drugs into one melting pot on this thread. Maybe time a few looked outside of their box! http://sciencenordic.com/cannabis-can-kill-cancer-cells-and-curb-ms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Who are the victims? Druggies who buy heroin? Just as bad as the smugglers... thats what I was thinking people are seldom forced to take various drugs (including alcohol), I understand that mules are sometimes forced to carry drugs by having their family held hostage for instance. I hate the thought of killing people for most crimes apart from the obvious exceptions (religion, child murders etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 (edited) I think the worst punishment you could suffer would be ,to be locked in a room with Nicola and Alex for a whole day . I am sure you would emerge as a drivelling idiot totally brain washed . Harnser They would carry me out in a box before they brain washed me, I am utterly opposed to their ideology. The drivelling idiot bit, well I reckon I'm well down that road already I think that there is much 'lumping in' of drugs into one melting pot on this thread. Maybe time a few looked outside of their box! http://sciencenordic.com/cannabis-can-kill-cancer-cells-and-curb-ms I quite agree, but that's another debate Edited April 29, 2015 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 I understsnd what you mean but im not an absolutist so, quick question - would you apply that to ALL drug traffickers? Do you make a distinction between, say, heroin and cannabis? Or smuggled illegal alcohol and Viagra for that matter? Heroin, meth and to some extent cocaine can ruin lives, but so can alcohol, so a government's arbitrary regulation on which is legal seems an odd basis on which to take a life to me. falconfn,,lets be honest,,you know what drugs I mean,, class A drugs have no place in society because of the mayhem they cause, not just to the user but his family, and also the community that person lives in, it is only too often in the courts the sentences are too lenient,,is that a detterent . no its not,,but putting a sign on every entrance to OUR airports like I said WOULD deter people,, if it only stopped one person smuggling class A,s into this country then it would have been a success, to many people on this thread are trying to twist things,, smuggle drugs into a country that supports the death penalty,,,then you deserve everything coming, including death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 In Iran you get the death sentance for adultery.... but thats the law so thats fine. another twisted post,,,,what on earth has adultery got to do with this thread , why do people keep trying to twist things,,,, they committed a serious crime and have suffered serious consequences,,,,TUFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 were they smuggling into or out of Indonesia, if into then thats just plain stupid, out of, too Australia for instance I could understand, can someone put me straight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 were they smuggling into or out of Indonesia, if into then thats just plain stupid, out of, too Australia for instance I could understand, can someone put me straight read the link in the first post its all there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 ok thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 so if I read it right to Aus VIA Indonesia thats plain stupid, they know the rules etc etc was it a cheap flight ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose man Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 were they smuggling into or out of Indonesia, if into then thats just plain stupid, out of, too Australia for instance I could understand, can someone put me straight It doesn't matter with them , in or out its the same result ...its all classed as trafficking .Keeps it nice & simple . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJW Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 If a country insists on implementing the death penalty they should have a robust legal system beyond reproach. Sadly in many cases this is simply not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil w Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Shoot the mules, = Less, expenditure on the NHS. We have armed forces men and women that have served their country, that get little, help.But drug users get a lot more help !. most probably have no Input In society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Singapore still execute a few on a regular basis. Australia kicked up a fuss a few years ago when they executed an Aussie smuggler. Fuss died down after a short while. I am against the death penalty BUT respect the right of a country to implement its own sentences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Who are the victims? Druggies who buy heroin? Just as bad as the smugglers... Southeastpete - I was referring to criminals and victims in general. There are those on this thread who would not execute Lee Rigby's killers. They were filmed, arrested on site - no doubt of their guilt. The victim was Lee Rigby. There are always apologists for any criminal act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Juicer Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Tough choices we make in life. But if we don't kill people for it, maybe other backward countries shouldn't. And I say backward loosely. I can think of a couple of USA cases recently where the witness, from 40 years ago, admitted lying. I'd die if I was slaughter'd on the false word of a liar..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 falconfn,,lets be honest,,you know what drugs I mean,, Yes I do, you mean heroin and the like, but my point was not all illegal drugs are equal. I believe Indonesia and a few other countries have the same penalty no matter what the drug so you can be executed for smuggling cannabis. There are moves by some groups to make alcohol illegal too. For me there are too many grey areas for a death sentence ever to be a part of our laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 There are those on this thread who would not execute Lee Rigby's killers. They were filmed, arrested on site - no doubt of their guilt. The victim was Lee Rigby. There are always apologists for any criminal act. I think you would have to add me to that list. If I was his friend or relative I'm sure I would feel differently, in fact I'd probably be willing to do it myself, but I am fortunate enough only to be sickened by the attack from afar and not emotionally involved. I cannot think of a single benefit other than financial to do it - and that isn't a good enough reason. Alive; they will be locked away for the remainder of their lives and forgotten, they have had their liberty removed and they will pose no danger to anyone else, dead; they become martyrs, they get more headlines and they could even garner support. There is no apology for those two, no redeeming features and no way I would or could justify what they did but I firmly believe that if we as a society killed them we would not be much better ourselves. Paradoxically (and probably hypocritically), if another inmate got their hands on them then I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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