Topgunners Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 To end this debate for ever. Try and acquire your OWN land by approaching farmers in your own right. Here is THE reason why pigeon controllers and pest controllers are very protective about their permissions/ had a member of this forum pop round and speak to my colleague and asked him how we were doing and unfortunately he not only commented about our most recent bag, but also where we shot them. and lo and behold whilst we were at work he and a friend went and approached HIS farmer and went shooting pigeons on the same field we had been on. DIRTY! DASTARDLY, BACK-STABBING TRICK that we HATE and never expected to happen. P*****D my mate off big time. The culprits know who they are but will never be invited or spoken to in our shooting circle as friends??? AGAIN. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Dave K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 DIRTY! DASTARDLY, BACK-STABBING TRICK *******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Low lifes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonp Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Just name and shame, get it all out in the open. Si Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 I'm off to Austria this week oops, break his legs before you go mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Just out of curiosity, if the pigeons are still hitting this field hard what is the landowner supposed to do? Wait until you are next available? The owner of the land must have been bothered cos otherwise he would not have let him shoot his land if he was not a regular. Correct or not? The reason I have submitted this post is because I had a tear up this week with a Father & son team who shoot some of the ground I shoot. Cos they only shoot one day at the weekend every other week and I am in attendance 2 & 3 times a week they seemed to think I was spoiling their shooting. They were foolish enough to make this statement to the farm manager, who in return replied- 'What you think the control of pigeons on this land is here for you exclusively? I tell you what, I'll make you right- if I dont see you at least one day during the week as well as the one day at the weekend you're not coming at all- and thats fact- Oh and thats starting this week like it or not. Be careful fella's, remember you only have exclusive rights if you own the land you shoot on! Regards Starlight32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Ok i do not agree with what happend, but unless you have SOLE SHOOTING RIGHTS then you can't really stop them asking for permission And if you had SOLE rights then the Farmer would of not let them on there to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markio Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Kip/Starlight: I think topgunner is complaining that his so called friend snuck off to shoot that same land. Other than that, you have a very good point (to which i agree) regarding exclusive rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 had a member of this forum pop round and speak to my colleague and asked him how we were doing and unfortunately he not only commented about our most recent bag, but also where we shot them. this is where the problem lie,s lazy *** did not even do his own homework . i only try and take photo,s of the ground as not to give away a location never no who,s watching . gutted for you mate (should name and shame him ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Either they come one here and defend themselves, or you name and shame them. This is exactly why no will ever tell you where they stalk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 There is no need to "name and shame", so we can have a playground scuffle. 99% of the members here won't know who he is talking about personally, anyway. This is a matter between Topgunners and the people involved. The general point of Dave's post is be careful who you invite on to "your" land and telling other people where you are shooting and how you are doing. Most of us that have been shooting a long while, have had this experience. Thats why you get some incredulous reactions when the BASC suggest we should share our pigeon shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 To end this debate for ever. Try and acquire your OWN land by approaching farmers in your own right. Here is THE reason why pigeon controllers and pest controllers are very protective about their permissions/ had a member of this forum pop round and speak to my colleague and asked him how we were doing and unfortunately he not only commented about our most recent bag, but also where we shot them. and lo and behold whilst we were at work he and a friend went and approached HIS farmer and went shooting pigeons on the same field we had been on. DIRTY! DASTARDLY, BACK-STABBING TRICK that we HATE and never expected to happen. P*****D my mate off big time. The culprits know who they are but will never be invited or spoken to in our shooting circle as friends??? AGAIN. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Dave K All this bad feeling could so easily been avoided by just getting together, if they had asked you what days you could not be on the fields and out of courtesy would you mind if they shot on those days. Remember the name of the game is crop protection and providing a service to your farmer. What annoys me is when I build a perm hide, maybe taking 2/3 hrs bringing materials then someone uses it and leaves it trashed with empty cases and food wrappings, its a good job my farmers all know I pick up all my empty cases. D2D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Firstly…farmers don’t really give a damn who shoots (or just scares) the pigeons as long as they (the pigeons) don’t get his crops. Farmers agenda is different to ours. Secondly IF you are lucky enough to gain your own permission THEN work at it to the best of your ability. Use it or lose it! It’s why ‘professional’ pigeon shooters get so much land to shoot over, they do it 24/7. I can but sympathise with DK, when so-called friends are ready to backstab you in that way. It’s all to do with trust. If I took someone or mentioned to someone about my permissions and then found them going behind my back they’d a) no longer be welcome in my house, get a good smack in the mouth and c) you’d all know who it was! I have no time for such people. Find your own you lazy good for nothing **** wipes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 If I took someone or mentioned to someone about my permissions and then found them going behind my back they’d a) no longer be welcome in my house, get a good smack in the mouth and c) you’d all know who it was! I have no time for such people. Find your own you lazy good for nothing **** wipes! Highlander please dont sit on the fence on this one Sorry to hear you got hood winked Dave, I just cant understand the short term view on this, in days the birds will move and the folk involved will have lost what sport they have enjoyed with you for the sake of shooting over a good bag area for a flight or two, I don’t think the lights are all on, no need to name and shame with a public fight, rise above it mate, but you would expect nothing less that a full apology from the culprits. Don’t reduce yourself to the same low level. I assume all they had to do was talk to you to get a legit result, ,,,what a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 You have my every sympathy on this one. Just think what it's like for me administrating a Club with over 50 pigeon shooters, 20 odd different farmers and gamekeepers who collectively own or manage 25 to 30 different farms! Plus every other pigeon shooter in a 50 mile radius knocking on doors asking to shoot! You've got to have eyes in the back of your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckybear Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 There is no need to "name and shame", so we can have a playground scuffle. 99% of the members here won't know who he is talking about personally, anyway. This is a matter between Topgunners and the people involved. The general point of Dave's post is be careful who you invite on to "your" land and telling other people where you are shooting and how you are doing. Most of us that have been shooting a long while, have had this experience. Thats why you get some incredulous reactions when the BASC suggest we should share our pigeon shooting. but what happens if you invite these people along to shoot with you as people do on here think they should be named for that reason alone NOT A WITCH HUNT imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I know every story has two sides but even so, I would be as equally annoyed if a mate of mine went behind my back. It wouldnt be so much the fact they shot on permission that I had gained but more the fact they didnt ask me in the first place. After all, mutual respect is what freindship is all about it, isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Agree with all the comments. So short sighted, and such poor form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krazykayaker Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 "but what happens if you invite these people along to shoot with you as people do on here think they should be named for that reason alone NOT A WITCH HUNT imo " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Okay chaps, if there is to be no naming and shaming, then everyone needs to step up and post calling for naming and shaming, and via a process of elimination the culprits will be found out. Might take a while though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Okay chaps, if there is to be no naming and shaming, then everyone needs to step up and post calling for naming and shaming, and via a process of elimination the culprits will be found out. Might take a while though... It wasn't me, that only leaves another 5,379 suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I have permission on 500 acres or so and the damn farmer would let anyone shoot if they knocked on his door and said "There are pigeon on your rape NOW, can I help out and keep them off". This was in spite of me and friends cleaning ditches, killing rats and keeping his vermin register up to date, etc., etc., etc. Plus being on most parts of the farm every few days. The only way that I could stop this was by paying for permission and saying to him "We pay for this and if you ring me we will sort it ASAP". We guarantee action within 48 hours at the most, and it has worked. If I had a friend who did as has been described, then he would no longer be a friend...... BUTthere are people out there who do not give a damn and would say possession is 9/10 of the law. An acquaintance is not a friend and someone to be trusted - trust has to be earned. The shooting community is fairly small, and the word would soon get round. I am not saying that all vermin shooting has to be paid for - I also shoot on lots of other farms and give a bottle at Xmas (plus chocs for the wife). Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Okay chaps, if there is to be no naming and shaming, then everyone needs to step up and post calling for naming and shaming, and via a process of elimination the culprits will be found out. Might take a while though... I'm Spartacus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagleye Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 no i'am spartacus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hitman Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'm spartacus and so is my wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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