ditchman Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 dont bother me that much.......dont approve about them "bangin" on about their rights aaalll the time.......................... im from a time when the church of england view was ...............pro-foxhunting ....anti-buggerery...............................now it is anti-foxhunting and pro-buggerery !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Personally I don't like it, the thought of it seems , well I suppose "dirty" to me. But it's their choice and so long as it doesn't concerm me let them do what they want. Not so sure I'm for letting them adopt children though, I feel kids should go to what we would class as "normal" families until they're old enough to choose for themselves. Just the way I feel about it, and no amount of laws will change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 its not an issue for me end off, its a group of people out enjoying themselves peacefully good on them and anyone else that has a positive outlook on life whatever their persuasion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 My take on it is this. I served in the military with a number of comrades who turned out (after the rule change) to be gay, lesbian or trans. They all served with honour and distinction, and I'm proud to have known them. I value their views, opinions and choicesin where to find love and happiness well above the views of those to whom I am onlu loosely associated via a shared hobby, and who would deny it them out of hand. well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'll go along with Zapps views. Just don't like their fashion sense or soft furnishing choices, but each to their own! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 It's human nature that minority groups will feel anxious amongst a majority. Minority days and parades are affirming for those minorities, and raises awareness amongst the majority. Such days and parades are in my opinion an excellent thing for this country. Promoting diversity and acceptance makes the world a stronger, safer place for all of us. You've got to take a wider view here - international at least, and intergalactic ideally. Think about how marginalised women were in British society historically - that's no minority group - nearly half of the population held back. Think about how much greater and stronger this country would have been if women played an inclusive part in our history. How many homosexuals have been held back, criminalised or marginalised over the years? Think about Alan Turing. Think about how much stronger and greater this country could have been if he had played a fully inclusive part in our history. Blacks, Jews, Moslems, Irish - how many countless other minority groups have been held back over the years? Look globally at the repression that is going on. Think about the proud Iraquis who are unlucky enough to be God-fearing Christians. How much could they have contributed to the life of their nation. Think about minority Syrians, minority Sri Lankans, Ugandans, Rwandans, how many more places on earth are people pointlessly held back because of their differences? I look forward to 'Christian Pride Day' in Iraq, 'Female Pride Day' in Saudi Arabia, 'Tamil Pride Day' in Sri Lanka. All human beings. What a thought the the human race might be a minority one day. LS Very well said that man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 It's human nature that minority groups will feel anxious amongst a majority. Minority days and parades are affirming for those minorities, and raises awareness amongst the majority. Such days and parades are in my opinion an excellent thing for this country. Promoting diversity and acceptance makes the world a stronger, safer place for all of us. You've got to take a wider view here - international at least, and intergalactic ideally. Think about how marginalised women were in British society historically - that's no minority group - nearly half of the population held back. Think about how much greater and stronger this country would have been if women played an inclusive part in our history. How many homosexuals have been held back, criminalised or marginalised over the years? Think about Alan Turing. Think about how much stronger and greater this country could have been if he had played a fully inclusive part in our history. Blacks, Jews, Moslems, Irish - how many countless other minority groups have been held back over the years? Look globally at the repression that is going on. Think about the proud Iraquis who are unlucky enough to be God-fearing Christians. How much could they have contributed to the life of their nation. Think about minority Syrians, minority Sri Lankans, Ugandans, Rwandans, how many more places on earth are people pointlessly held back because of their differences? I look forward to 'Christian Pride Day' in Iraq, 'Female Pride Day' in Saudi Arabia, 'Tamil Pride Day' in Sri Lanka. All human beings. What a thought the the human race might be a minority one day. LS Well said your Lordship; excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Not so sure I'm for letting them adopt children though I would be interested if the word 'them' is purely focused at men only. I have to point out that it's not just men who abuse children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I would be interested if the word 'them' is purely focused at men only. I have to point out that it's not just men who abuse children. No, it's pointed at any family that's at odds with what we know and accept as a normal family. personally for me this means one man and one woman in a stable and loving relationship. This isn't about abuse, although a serious issue, it's about bringing up a child in a neutral atmosphere until he / she is old enough to both consider and form their own views on the matter. No anti gay, no anti any race, just a good stable grounding for a young child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Great reply Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) No, it's pointed at any family that's at odds with what we know and accept as a normal family. personally for me this means one man and one woman in a stable and loving relationship. This isn't about abuse, although a serious issue, it's about bringing up a child in a neutral atmosphere until he / she is old enough to both consider and form their own views on the matter. No anti gay, no anti any race, just a good stable grounding for a young child. What about the 'normal' male & female parents that abuse alcohol and fall around the place or the fast food families that fill their kids with all manner of processed muck or the fiery and tempestuous parents that knock lumps out of each other or the serial benefits abusers who never venture from the couch, the fanatical religious, etc? I appreciate what you are getting at in your post, but the truth is there isn't a 'normal', there are a million variations on a theme and the most well adjusted and balanced kids and adults have a wide exposure to all sorts of things. Whether it is a two dad family, a two mum family, a single parent or a mum and dad it is what they teach and promote to their kids that really counts. If they promote an attitude of tolerance, respect, good manners, individualism and encourage the desire to contribute to greater society and play their part that is all that really counts. Edited July 3, 2015 by grrclark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Just a quick question,If any of the anti gay on here can answer it, If you have children and one of them turned out to be gay, What would you do? Disown them or accept their choices? Oh and please don't say it would never happen because I'm afraid it's out of your control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Make full use of their interior design abilities! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Make full use of their interior design abilities! Just my luck to get one that is colour blind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Just a quick question,If any of the anti gay on here can answer it, If you have children and one of them turned out to be gay, What would you do? Disown them or accept their choices? Oh and please don't say it would never happen because I'm afraid it's out of your control My love for my daughter is unconditional, as long as she is happy. For me the question is irrelevant. We have no say in the matter. As you say it is out of anyone's control. Your children are your children forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 My love for my daughter is unconditional, as long as she is happy. For me the question is irrelevant. We have no say in the matter. As you say it is out of anyone's control. Your children are your children forever. Amen to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 It's just funny when people think that being gay is a choice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Very true!!!!! Just a quick question,If any of the anti gay on here can answer it, If you have children and one of them turned out to be gay, What would you do? Disown them or accept their choices? Oh and please don't say it would never happen because I'm afraid it's out of your control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I love these threads. They help dig out the people who I know not to associate myself with. This could have been a decent thread, but luckily the only person to come out in this thread, is you, as a homophobe The next thing you will say is that I have latent homosexual tendencys . That's the normal crack when some body doesn't think that homosexuality is normal Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I used to love Mothers Pride I've just got back from Brighton and spent some time in the gay quarter as some of the best pubs are in that part of Brighton away from the annoying tourists. Arn't shooters/hunters/reloaders/country sport folk all minorities - perhaps we should have our own pride march? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 I love these threads. They help dig out the people who I know not to associate myself with. This could have been a decent thread, but luckily the only person to come out in this thread, is you, as a homophobe Trust me ,I also know who to associate with . Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 The thing is, I am from a small town, which is very much for small town people. It's one of those little industrial islands surrounded by countryside like you see further north and in Norfolk, only producing shoes rather than onions or coal or whatever. As a result, it was, and is about 20 years behind everywhere else in terms of attitudes, and I was basically the same when I joined up. At the time (1998), homosexuality was still barred in the forces, so 'Gay' was a multi-use word to describe anything, anyone or any situation that was below standard or undesirable. In fact, bad things could often be summed up by a knowing look and nothing more than the word 'Gay'. Then they started talking about changing the rules, and I was against it. I bought all the rubbish about unit cohesion, not being able to trust your mates, etc etc etc. We really thought that every gay bloke was basically just a bum-obsessed sex pest waiting for you to drop your guard when lacing your boots. But then they changed the rules, and one by one, here and there, mates who we had laughed with, drank with, shared a fire trench with, would show their hand. It was strange - these werent the rampant queers we had been led to believe would be creeping into our pits at night, no - they were our comrades, our drinking buddies and our muckers. That changed it all for me. One of my mates had gender reassignment. In fairness, he is massively unconvincing as a woman, but who cares. I trusted him before and I trust her now. Likewise later on I had people of all persuasions working for me. Some of them handled business in Afghanistan and other combat theatres at least as well as their straight colleagues. Anyway, to summarise, a rambling way of saying they are just people. I dont care about who any of you want to sleep with, so why should I care about who they want to sleep with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 It's just funny when people think that being gay is a choice.. I maybe phrased it badly but the point is there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Make full use of their interior design abilities! That did make me chuckle Good post Zapp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Can we have a pride march for shooters? maybe have all the other country sports people in but not to call them bloodsports. .... Maybe "Mud" sports. So it could be the Shooting and Mud - Pride ..... ? Anyone interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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