Andra Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Never had a non ejector before I wondered how much hassle are they. I usually by habit break an ejector into my mid section to stop the carts flying out (unless there are lots of birds in the air) then pull them out at that point and pocket / bin them. Can you just lift out the carts from a n / ej? I have read some things about a lever device to take carts out but not sure if they all need this? Edited August 23, 2015 by Andra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Most non ejectors will lift the cartridges when you break the action so they are no hassle at all , there are perhaps as many pros to them as cons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andra Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Thanks for the reply. Its just for a cheap gun to take out on dog training sessions / rough shooting and maybe the odd pigeon sess but when I read about the lever thing it put me off as I would def lose such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Thanks for the reply. Its just for a cheap gun to take out on dog training sessions / rough shooting and maybe the odd pigeon sess but when I read about the lever thing it put me off as I would def lose such a thing. The gun would need to be very old indeed not to have a extractor fitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Most non ejectors will lift the cartridges when you break the action so they are no hassle at all , there are perhaps as many pros to them as cons. +1. Except, perhaps, I'd go a bit further and add, " if not all" ejectors. The "lever thing" you mention could well be an extractor tool which is an emergency device in the event that the extractor - and indeed the ejector - system has failed for whatever reason. Ejectors originally were fitted to expensive game guns (SbS) as it was odds on that whoever could afford them would be using the gun for the old style driven game and probably nothing else. Over time, they became a 'must have' when machinery took over from guns made by hand and the cost fell. It's a very rare occurrence, if we exclude driven shooting, that they're necessary and anyone looking for a half decent English SbS can get a real bargain by choosing the non ejector option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Personally I prefer non ejectors.Only one of my guns is an ejector.No hassle with them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 You are thinking of a cartridge extractor . Used if either a case gets stuck or in the old days it was not unknown for the brass to separate from the paper , or if the case had slipped under the extractor . Nothing wrong with non ejector guns , not forgetting almost 99% of hammer guns were non ejector as were thousands of Birmingham built boxlocks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Only if you are shooting driven game will ejectors be an asset. Loads of old non ejectors for sale at bargain prices ideal for pigeon shooting, walked up game and inland wildfowl shooting away from wetlands in Scotland. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Personally I prefer non ejectors.Only one of my guns is an ejector.No hassle with them at all. Totally agree, I have all non ejectors except one, but predominantly use the non ejectors for all my shooting. Also, as has been said already, there are some excellent bargains to be had in the side by side non ejector market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 I like NE reason being I always catch the empties anyhow and more simple things let you own less. Driven with a pair of guns and a loader ejectors are a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 I like NE reason being I always catch the empties anyhow and more simple things let you own less. Driven with a pair of guns and a loader ejectors are a must. Perhaps a new thread should be started to see on here who shoots a pair of guns with a loader. Not many perhaps, except JDog with his pair of Purdeys and his butler as loader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 Perhaps a new thread should be started to see on here who shoots a pair of guns with a loader. Not many perhaps, except JDog with his pair of Purdeys and his butler as loader.There's a few others 😗 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 You mean to say you don't have a pair of guns and a loader, what type of shoot does one go to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 I like NE reason being I always catch the empties anyhow and more simple things let you own less. Driven with a pair of guns and a loader ejectors are a must. Usually its one's valet rather than butler who loads on double gun days. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 in a hide non ejectors are great,dont have to try and fish out spent shells from the nettles/brambles!!! can buy much more gun too as no one seems to value non ejector guns...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 in a hide non ejectors are great,dont have to try and fish out spent shells from the nettles/brambles!!! can buy much more gun too as no one seems to value non ejector guns...... My dog collects up my empties from the auto At first it was a fault but I grew to like it once I stopped him running off to catch them End of flight and all birds picked I just say empties He even gets to plastic shot cups if I give him time and they are not in the water He is however rubbish as a loader in the grouse butt with a pair of doubles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Hi Just a thought chaps 😙 You can get a stuck case or a head come off a paper one (or plastic ) even in a ejector gun it happens less frequent now fortunately 😋 All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 My dog collects up my empties from the auto At first it was a fault but I grew to like it once I stopped him running off to catch them End of flight and all birds picked I just say empties He even gets to plastic shot cups if I give him time and they are not in the water He is however rubbish as a loader in the grouse butt with a pair of doubles just got to get him to shoot for you then its all sorted!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Never had a non ejector before I wondered how much hassle are they. I usually by habit break an ejector into my mid section to stop the carts flying out (unless there are lots of birds in the air) then pull them out at that point and pocket / bin them. Can you just lift out the carts from a n / ej? I have read some things about a lever device to take carts out but not sure if they all need this?You know when you take the cartridges out of your gun when your finished with it, that is what a non ejector is like all the time :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I almost prefer a NE. Having the spent shells gathered conveniently together after a shoot is one less thing to worry about. I say 'almost' as I was lucky enough to have such a hectic session on the pigeons the other day that an ejector would have helped. I just couldn't reload fast enough. Never known birds to come in like they did that day. I do prefer a NE when clay shooting as it slows me down and helps my concentration somehow. GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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