point and shoot Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just got hold of a .410. Using the three inch extra long cartridges. How far will the shot carry uninterrupted? So used to the twelve bore! Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Exactly the same distance, give or take, if you are firing the same shot size from 12 gauge and .410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 The only difference in the 410 is less pellets Don't underestimate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlerob Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Same distance and an equal tool to the 12g in the right hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 The only difference in the 410 is less pellets Don't underestimate it +1 on this, was out wiyh a few mates this weekend. They had there 12's i took my 410 and I took a pair at 40yrds.. You just have say 18grams rather than 30... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 i took my 410 and I took a pair at 40yrds. On a sliding scale from 1 to 10 with 1 being never, and 10 always, assuming your aim is good, what number would you pick to describe your (the gun/cartridge) ability to achieve that for cleanly killed birds 9 times out of 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 On a sliding scale from 1 to 10 with 1 being never, and 10 always, assuming your aim is good, what number would you pick to describe your (the gun/cartridge) ability to achieve that for cleanly killed birds 9 times out of 10? If this is your way of saying that me using a 410 is inhumane then im not entertaining your question with a response. as that is how your question sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 40 yards is ten yards too far with mine and an 18 grm load anf full choke Just like with amy gun cartrige you can get lucky with a lucky strike The 410 is a great gun but only thows so many pellets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 40 yards is ten yards too far with mine and an 18 grm load anf full choke Just like with amy gun cartrige you can get lucky with a lucky strike The 410 is a great gun but only thows so many pellets Not saying i took those shots all day long, i set the pattern out at 20yrds.. Ive seen 12g boys wing a bird at 30-40yrd. No shot is ever guaranteed to kill cleanly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Same distance and an equal tool to the 12g in the right hands Though under rated the 410 will never be an equal tool to a 12 gauge even in the very best of hands a 12 gauge will do pretty much everything a 410 will not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Though under rated the 410 will never be an equal tool to a 12 gauge even in the very best of hands a 12 gauge will do pretty much everything a 410 will not. totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Not saying i took those shots all day long, i set the pattern out at 20yrds.. Ive seen 12g boys wing a bird at 30-40yrd. No shot is ever guaranteed to kill cleanly. especially 40 yarders with a 410........If you get 50% clays at 40 yards with a 410 you are a brilliant shot and it will be a chip at best...a 12/16/20g with decent cartridge will KILL far more pigeons at 40 yards than Digweed would with a 410.Of course we all *****/wing birds but an oz of shot+ will cleanly kill at 40 yards 18 grams wont...whilst each pellet has the same down range oomph from whatever gun, the pattern on a 410 beyond 25 yards is pants..and it is luck to bring down 40 yarders with it. I am not knocking the 410,it is great fun but for decoying,when they are not coming right in close it is a massive handicap and frankly not the ideal tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Lets not forget in all thid tslk of its limits that its a fantasic gun under 25 yards for vermin and edible quary At thid dort of range its better than a 12 with 28 grm or more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 I shoot 410s with full choke 90percent of the time i go out and dont push it past 30yards because the shot pattern from my guns arent dense enough.others may be better.410s are brilliant but there no 12bore but even those have their limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) The limits are always a combination of pattern density and energy, For instance for each individual pellet for roughly 1ftlb energy (and remember the smaller the pellet the more it penetrates for any given energy), No9 will give a killing penetration on medium game (pheasants) to 25yds, No 8 30yds, 7.5 35 yards, no7 40 yds and then No6 to 50 yards and similarly No5 to 60 yards. Pattern wise For 35yards, 18g of No7.5 will be lethal for full, 3/4 and 1l2 choke, and is close to the optimum loading as we can get commercially (Eley 410 Trap), the nearest Eley Magnum Game No7 can only manage a pattern at full choke, however at 30yards can manage a pattern with full, 3/4 and 1/2. If you are using No6 or No5 (the tradiational pellet sizes for 12bore shooting), you are not going to get a useful pattern beyond 25 yards, even though each pellet has plenty of energy and will result in holes in your pattern. If I could arrange it, all 410 commercial loadings would be limited to magnum - 3" (No7, No7 1/2, No8, No9), Fourlong - 2 1/2" (No8,No9), Fourten - 2" (No9) as there is simply no point in a larger pellet for each cartridge size/loading weight. Edited September 2, 2015 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 stonepark, ok, get your points,eley trap though are only 14 g and never seen their 3 inch magnum in a 7........have toyed with 3 different 410s for the hell of it recently and agree 7-7.5s way to go.....no idea what nominal chokes the guns have but tight as a sharks bum(and thats watertight) up to 20-25 yards then pattern falls to bits.....I had a good day at Jackdaws and could not kill em clean beyond 25 yards ish...maybe 30 yards max.......as for pheasants am yet to see a gun turn up with a 410 with no 9 shot..but pretty certain he would go home early with the butt only visible from his rear end...I kinda wished I had'nt started on this topic 'cos I do like the 410....but statements that it is as good as a 12g and 40 yard left and rights are simply fantasy... believe me I would rather carry 100 410 shells across the fields and indeed a 410 but I know when I get there its going to be a tough day!...... Steve G on here I have seen videos using 12 and 410 s,and unless he is Steven Spielberg with the editing looks a very good shot,would love his experience added to the debate.....but for me I aint good enough with a 410 for decoying type shooting and ranges..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 edit above it is 'Stevo' with the video masterclasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) I use a Khan K226 multichoke and eley mag 7's, have had it at pattern plate and have pattern plated it and confirmed that 1/4 and 1/2 gave adequate patterns to 25yards and 30 yards respectively. Would agree that 40 yards is too far for the 410, but there is no doubt that within their cabability they are a useful and good little gun Last nights first teal of the season, ready for the oven......... Edited September 2, 2015 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Non toxic .410 now then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 Oops that woulbnt be with the shells mentioned would it now I have flighted duck with my 410 and bismoth home loads given to me_ its very good sport waitimg for that perfect shot witj a single shot 410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dob Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 The only difference in the 410 is less pellets Don't underestimate it Shot lots of pheasants with 3inch shells in 410, there are a number of shoots that have 410 days so don't be afraid to use it on game at sensible heights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 I do load my own specials with a Lee Loader but previous poster had never seen 7's in a 3" Eley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) The limits are always a combination of pattern density and energy, ... If I could arrange it, all 410 commercial loadings would be limited to magnum - 3" (No7, No7 1/2, No8, No9), Fourlong - 2 1/2" (No8,No9), Fourten - 2" (No9) as there is simply no point in a larger pellet for each cartridge size/loading weight. +1 I've investigated at length, and written about this myself and come to exactly the same conclusions. No reason that with small shot and a good shooter behind it that the .410 can't be a 40 yard gun. Not much more than 40 yards, mind. 42 at a push. #7 or #7½ through a tight-ish choke gets the best out of it. You'll know what I mean if I simply say "9g of #6?" Edited September 3, 2015 by neutron619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 I strongly suggest you prove it by pattern testing before you go trying it It is a small diameter pipe to push s lot of pellets dowm Many think the 3" and loads above 14 grm are actually vounter productive Myself ? 3" 6 or 7 seem to work fine but not at 40 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Russell Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 With my .410 huspower using 18g no6 subs my patten fails after 30ish yds. Still kills rabbits and squirels stone dead at that range though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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