propercartridges Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 ok people we are getting away from the subject other than buying ready made hard shot at say5% antimony does any body know how to harden the shot as we know it in other words I buy say 2% antimonial lead from my supplyier and do the process to harden and make shiney I can coat it with copper or nickel but at a pretty big extra cost so that's it no more fighting please thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 George. Just stick with 2% and pretend its harder. Patent it as contains #hardiumtechnology and live with it. It is an alloy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 George. Just stick with 2% and pretend its harder. Patent it as contains #hardiumtechnology and live with it. It is an alloy. +1 You're thinking too hard George. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 no I am trying to give people what they want at a good price and that is good for everybody I believe its called fair competition what you say thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 In order to harden it further (for any given antimony alloy), you need to cool it very fast when cooling from melted shot when dropped, problem is 1/2 tonne of shot dropping into water will heat it up and hardening effect disappears. So ideally needs to be small batches into large volume of cold water. Also worth noting that over time (2 -5 years or so), cold hardened shot, slowly becomes softer again, back to where it started as the micro crystals (hard) reform into larger crystals (soft). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 no I am trying to give people what they want at a good price and that is good for everybody I believe its called fair competition what you say thanks george George. People / average shooter know very little about shells. All they know is £. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Put raw shot in a clean cement mixer with graphite and they will come out looking like black pearls. That said I think diamond shot is a marketing gimmick with no substance. + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Just use whatever the best of your competition use. Edited October 24, 2015 by Farma Geddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 thanks for that stonepark now in the beginning when the us dollar was good it looked like I could buy lead from good old usa now if you go on the google it coughs up chilled lead shot for sale wats that all about is it coz its chilled its hard without the expense of antimony any body know that? thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 I think people buy based on what they want to believe, in their mind faster cart's with hard shot give better breaks so they buy based on that. For the vast majority the fast cart's or hard shot don't matter one bit as fast and hard means nothing when you miss. I think that you will sell more based on a reliable, clean cartridge that is excellent value for money compared to having marketing gimmicks such as copper coated and polished shot. Appreciate that you are looking to give people what they want, but folks that know what they want probably have a favoured cartridge for all sorts of daft mental reasons that you will struggle to tempt them away from, for all the rest they likely just want cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Here are my views on cartridges as a weekly clay shooter. Using myself as an example, I want 28g of 7.5 that'll do a "stated" ft/s of 1400+ without being too punchy for as close to £4 a box in fibre (without launching confetti everywhere) as possible. My goto is gamebore velocity, I'd pay slightly more for a cartridge as smooth as white gold but with cheaper shot (by more I mean 50p a box). The problem for clay shooters is that the most important thing is practice, to afford to practice, you need to shoot a lot. Which for most people means that they need to cut down on cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 If you shoot 2 registered 100 bird shoots or 4 50 bird local shoots a month that's 2600 cartridges a year , cheap cartridges are £160 per 1000 ,good ones can be had for £190/£200 per 1000 .That's a deference of £2 a week are you all hard up for £2 a week Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 well done on the maths deershooter but I think all they see is the price per 1000 sign ask yourselves what do I get for 160 and what do I get for say up to240 or more yes without a doubt the lead is more expensive to buy on the increase of the antimony content I will start a new post soon called antimony but in the meantime please advise on the 2 prices thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 George. People / average shooter know very little about shells. All they know is £. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 If you point the gun in the right direction the clays are gonna break. The rest is just salesmanship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Aluminium powder is surely carcinogenic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 For most price comes first. Cheaper the better. For the serous competition shooter they have a favorite cartridge and like to stick to what they know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 George ( Proper Cartridges) I think you may well be barking up the wrong tree ? You used to have a quality product that sold brilliantly. I used to buy mine from North Wales Shooting School. Then the supply dried up????? So I found something else. Just start producing a quality shell, it will sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 George. People / average shooter know very little about shells. All they know is £. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 George ( Proper Cartridges) I think you may well be barking up the wrong tree ? You used to have a quality product that sold brilliantly. I used to buy mine from North Wales Shooting School. Then the supply dried up? ? So I found something else. Just start producing a quality shell, it will sell. just working on a courier or two this week then will be able to quote a all in delivered price on your door by the way salopian what r u using now and how much per 1000 thanks George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 George (proper cartridges) a premium 65mm game cartridge with a fibre wad and decent hard shot, at a reasonable price should sell well, the big boys seem to be taking the urine a bit with their prices............dunno why? the components cannot be much (if any?) more expensive than clay cartridges? Apologies for straying off topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 There seems to be a market for subsonic game cartridges for all those Hushpower users too. Something about 30grams of 5 shot doing 1050fps real world speed in 20g and 12g. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Try powderd walnut shell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 A good cartridge should first be well priced around 1400 fps and be readily available not point finding a good cart just for them to disappear after a couple of months nothing more annoying just get used to a cartridge then it disappears into oblivion to have to search again for another good one that is why I load my own certainly it isn't cheaper but supply is guaranteed and they are how I like them personally I don't give a dam about shot hardness just want a reliable supply of a good cartridge at a good price like everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 A good cartridge should first be well priced around 1400 fps and be readily available not point finding a good cart just for them to disappear after a couple of months nothing more annoying just get used to a cartridge then it disappears into oblivion to have to search again for another good one that is why I load my own certainly it isn't cheaper but supply is guaranteed and they are how I like them personally I don't give a dam about shot hardness just want a reliable supply of a good cartridge at a good price like everyone else Do you really have to get used to a cartridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.