CharlieT Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I note BASC has an advert in this months Farmer and Grower magazine. The gist of the advert is to persuade farmers to use BASC as their first port of call when seeking someone to control their pigeon problems. It goes on to say "We are aware that on many farms pest control is not carried out as well as some farmers would like. Shooters not turning up when needed, shooters sending their friends to shoot when they are unavailable, uncertainty about third party insurance and leaving decoys and litter have been identified as areas where improvements can be made" The final paragraph of the advert reads: "The NFU and BASC believe that by setting up pest control groups, coordinated by a single point of contact, better pest control can be achieved and farmers will benefit. BASC service is free: all our members are fully insured" Will this bring an end to the days of individual shooters having their own "permission" , will you now have to book with BASC to get a days shooting on "your" farm or will it be a benefit, particularly for newbies and those who don't have, or seem to be able to get, their own "permission". Your thoughts, please gentlemen............discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I would welcome a service I could offer up a day of my time and get sent somewhere new that needs some pest control, the trouble is we all know farmers who report fields blue with pigeons and when you get there you might be lucky to see a manky seagull and a few crows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I bet none of the "other" organisations are doing this, well done BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydi73 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 This will turn into a commercial opportunity for BASC, I bet you'll end up having top pay £50 a day to provide a service, I bet the farmers will end up paying BASC £50 a day for a shooter so the only winner is BASC!! Bad bad idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Not keen on this at all. It's no secret I'm no fan of BASC but I would be equally unkeen on any organisation doing it either. For any organisation to try and create an exclusive club where it's members only, can have access to land to shoot over stinks, in my opinion. Thankfully it wont affect me or my mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaunda Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I believe that many farmers might sign up providing there was no cost to them whilst retaining their rights,and as tenants responsibilities,to invite their own men.Can't see it being ' exclusive ' to BASC/NFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 A few of points of fact. BASC are not charging farmers for this Farmers are not paying BASC for this If you are providing your farmers with a good service you have nothing at all to be bothered about The project had been developed WITH the NFU based on feedback from their members, similar projects are on the go in Wales, NI and Scotland BASC will continue to try and secure shooting opportunities for its members , its one of out objectives for goodness sake...we have been running members only stalking schemes for decades, it works well and is popular with our members,so we will work with farmers and other landowners to open up more opportunities for our members. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 A few of points of fact. BASC are not charging farmers for this Farmers are not paying BASC for this If you are providing your farmers with a good service you have nothing at all to be bothered about The project had been developed WITH the NFU based on feedback from their members, similar projects are on the go in Wales, NI and Scotland BASC will continue to try and secure shooting opportunities for its members , its one of out objectives for goodness sake...we have been running members only stalking schemes for decades, it works well and is popular with our members,so we will work with farmers and other landowners to open up more opportunities for our members. David As a shooter with limited land to shoot on, I welcome something like this. There are a lot of other orgainsations offering this around the country, some better than others. Hopefully NFU and BASC will offer a service that works for shooters and farmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 As a shooter with limited land to shoot on, I welcome something like this. There are a lot of other orgainsations offering this around the country, some better than others. Hopefully NFU and BASC will offer a service that works for shooters and farmers. Which other organisations are offering this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 A few of points of fact. BASC are not charging farmers for this Farmers are not paying BASC for this If you are providing your farmers with a good service you have nothing at all to be bothered about The project had been developed WITH the NFU based on feedback from their members, similar projects are on the go in Wales, NI and Scotland BASC will continue to try and secure shooting opportunities for its members , its one of out objectives for goodness sake...we have been running members only stalking schemes for decades, it works well and is popular with our members,so we will work with farmers and other landowners to open up more opportunities for our members. David I get it you pay £££ to join BASC and you get free shooting with the other 1000's of members Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 on another level , if i owned a farm and had trouble with birds.A BASC member came along and shot my land and left all his empties and 50 breasted pigeons in the hedge row , would he be removed from offers in future ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghosthunter Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) on another level , if i owned a farm and had trouble with birds.A BASC member came along and shot my land and left all his empties and 50 breasted pigeons in the hedge row , would he be removed from offers in future ?? If it is monitored, I would hope that once a shooter is allocated to an area, the landowner would take your basc number and if found unsuitable then that number could be blocked from that particular place in future with probably a 3 strikes and you're off the register for a period of time coming into play? Which other organisations are offering this? Id assume he means things like NPPC etc? Although I am a FAC and SGC holder, I also have very limited places to shoot and if I could get some more shooting in because of a scheme like this then I also would welcome it. I value my shooting time and consider it a privilege to be able to shoot on other grounds so much so that I would take the utmost care not to upset the applecart and I guess there are many others out there with the same attitude. Now then... where do I sign!!! Edited to remove rubbish my text duplicating fat fingers decided to put in there! Edited November 19, 2015 by ghosthunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Id assume he means things like NPPC etc? I've no idea; he hasn't replied yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Which other organisations are offering this? By organisations, I mean like NPPC and Sweethill shooting. As opposed to organisations such as BASC and CA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 this idea may mean shooters loosing their permissions to BASC members! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningB525 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 this idea may mean shooters loosing their permissions to BASC members! I'd guess that it'll only happen if the farmer isn't happy with their current shooters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I can see where BASC is coming from in this respect and I confess that if I was involved at BASC it is something that I would promote. I appreciate that being a member of a shooting organisation confers nothing other than being able to pay the membership fee and perhaps a small sense of responsibility, but at face value a scheme provided by BASC offers a comfort factor beyond just a casual shooter in a field. BASC is all about promoting professionalism, responsibility and maturity in the shooting community, the approach that they take in lobbying government also screams that message loud and clear. The mandatory BASC insurance within wild fowling says the same thing too. I think that if a shooter has a good relationship with a farmer then the BASC scheme offers little to the farmer, but for those farmers who maybe don't have such a reliable service or they are worried for other reasons then maybe this is something they will at look at favourably. If the scheme is also promoted by the NFU then that would suggest that there is definitely a need. Better the farmer goes for the scheme via BASC than someone who is seeking to be commercially exploitative by charging shooters for days on pigeons/corvids. There are obviously a number of other things to be considered such as the conduct of the shooter put forward by BASC so will be interesting to know if there is any sort of code of conduct or best practice or other qualifying measure, i.e. must have attended a BASC introduction to pigeon shooting course or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) The stalkings a great idea never been able to get on one though!! As others have said I fear the development of PSC1 etc. Edited November 19, 2015 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 this idea may mean shooters loosing their permissions to BASC members! I cannot see anyone loosing their permission if they are doing the job to the farmers satisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 People have probably shot themselves in the foot by not providing the service that growers want. Too many situations where pests are allowed carry on destroying crops while the shooter is 'waiting for numbers to build up so we can have a good day'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I can see where BASC is coming from in this respect and I confess that if I was involved at BASC it is something that I would promote. I think that if a shooter has a good relationship with a farmer then the BASC scheme offers little to the farmer, but for those farmers who maybe don't have such a reliable service or they are worried for other reasons then maybe this is something they will at look at favourably. If the scheme is also promoted by the NFU then that would suggest that there is definitely a need. Better the farmer goes for the scheme via BASC than someone who is seeking to be commercially exploitative by charging shooters for days on pigeons/corvids. I should point out that the advert was in the NFU Farmer and Grower Magazine, advertising the scheme to me and other farmers. I can only presume that BASC paid for the advert. I'm not sure how far the NFU are involved in promoting the scheme, I've certainly not been approached by the NFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I should point out that the advert was in the NFU Farmer and Grower Magazine, advertising the scheme to me and other farmers. I can only presume that BASC paid for the advert. I'm not sure how far the NFU are involved in promoting the scheme, I've certainly not been approached by the NFU. I am going on David's comments in his post that they developed this together. Why don't you give your NFU rep a call or drop them an email, might be an interesting insight. I don't know anybody in the NFU otherwise I would just out of curiosity. I suspect that as with most things like this there will have been a limited consultation based on initial feedback to the NFU, it may not have been particularly specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 People have probably shot themselves in the foot by not providing the service that growers want. Too many situations where pestsare allowed carry on destroying crops while the shooter is 'waiting for numbers to build up so we can have a good day'. Not at all, how many shooters do you know who have been given their marching orders. I rather think it is something BASC have dreamed up as bonus for their members. The bit I disagree with is the wording of BASC's advert where they state............"We are aware that on many farms pest control is not carried out as well as some farmers would like".........this sort of wording is disingenuous to shooters and designed to cause doubt in farmers minds regarding their current pest controller and thus encourage them to go with BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Not at all, how many shooters do you know who have been given their marching orders. I rather think it is something BASC have dreamed up as bonus for their members. When I've been let down, I've got somebody else in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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