jbk Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Dear all, I'm trying to get into a bit of Pigeon shooting and have just bought my first lot of kit from the eBay. I've keenly been looking at it all this evening and I realise that I've no clue how to 'hang' them properly (correct pigeon shooter term?)! I wonder if you knowledgable folks might be able to give me a few pointers as to what kit I've lumbered myself with, whether it's any good/usable of not, how I can set these decoys up on the pegs provided? Lastly I'm looking for a kind of Pigeon'ie mentor type to help teach me how to use this kit, in exchange for great tea making skills, good banter and free labour in the field, see my other post here. Cheers Edited November 19, 2015 by jbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 wow !..........that is quite an old set !!.............the full bodied ones are a good shape....they were quite expensive when they first came out.........but they definatly need to be painted up and possibly flocked ...as with the shells............i think you have also got a drawstring flapper......they work very very well................a lot of boys prefer electric now , but the manual ones are still very good in the field...and i see you have a floater......... so all in all not a bad start...........(but do paint them please) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbk Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) ha ha ha, yeah they've definitely seen better days!! Thanks ditchman, any advice on type of paints? and what is flocking? I used to love my airfix so I'll enjoy that i reckon, at least for one or two birds!! Yes that is a manual flapper, do you actually mean you tie string to it and pull the string when a bird starts to come in to the pattern!? Feels like something out of a comedy sketch, I'll have to check the bushes for candid camera I reckon!! Edited November 19, 2015 by jbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 ha ha ha, yeah they've definitely seen better days!! Thanks ditchman, any advice on type of paints? and what is flocking? I used to love my airfix so I'll enjoy that i reckon, at least for one or two birds!! Yes that is a manual flapper, do you actually mean you tie string to it and pull the string when a bird starts to come in to the pattern!? Feels like something out of a comedy sketch, I'll have to check the bushes for candid camera I reckon!! dont knock manual flappers !!....in the right hands they can be deadly..................im no paint and flocking expert...im sure someone will be along sooner or later and point you in the right direction for the paint and flock..............then those decoys will look the dogs danglies........ best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masmiffy Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) If that had been an old Seamark flapper I would have been interested if you wanted rid, cant find one anywhere! Edited November 19, 2015 by masmiffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I personally would not bother painting the decoys, other than the ones that don't have a good white neck band. The point I am making is, the worst looking decoys in the right place will work ten times better than the best decoys in the wrong place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 buy a book called pigeon shooting by archie coats, about a fiver, read through and put into practice out on the field, if you can get a mentor that is even better just get some hobnobs and good luck. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Where are you based? That would be a good starting point to find a mentor. There is a course being organised with BASC and PW members advertised on here could you get along to that?. There is lots of knowledge and help available through the PW members ask the question and answer will be coming along very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Where are you based? That would be a good starting point to find a mentor. There is a course being organised with BASC and PW members advertised on here could you get along to that?. There is lots of knowledge and help available through the PW members ask the question and answer will be coming along very quickly. This one http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/323088-basc-introduction-to-pigeon-shooting-course-lincolnshireyorkshire/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 They are too close together and some are on their side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 They are too close together and some are on their side. A bit like your presentation in the photos? --------------------- I'll get my coat on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 They are too close together and some are on their side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbk Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Ha ha ha, what about the ones that are on top of each other, new style of pigeon mating behaviour perhaps?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Its difficult to tell just from the photo, but as you are just starting out I would suggest, apart from refreshing the white neck ring, you leave the decoys alone. A1Decoys sell a "Bird vision white UV Paint" , this is what I use. It would be ideal if you can finds someone locally to advise you on what you have and what you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 They are too close together and some are on their side. v good Jdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I see you are in Hertfordshire, where about's ? I am in Stevenage and would be happy to take you out. Cheers Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbk Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Terry PM sent Archie Coats' 'Pigeon Shooting' book on order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 can i ask what the hammer and chisel's for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 can i ask what the hammer and chisel's for The ground is very hard in Hertfordshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 If that had been an old Seamark flapper I would have been interested if you wanted rid, cant find one anywhere! someone on here was making and selling the Seemark copy I personally would not bother painting the decoys, other than the ones that don't have a good white neck band. The point I am making is, the worst looking decoys in the right place will work ten times better than the best decoys in the wrong place. this man knows what he is talking about. you don't need mentors and all that rubbish. take your decoys, gun, cartridges a hide or make one out of branches ( dont damage growing timber by hacking down random branches) get out into a field find a line and set up and start learning. it's fun even if you dont shoot much. dont expect to just start and have success straight away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbk Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Ha, yeah I have no idea what either the mallet, the steel/iron peg or the plastic round stake with the square hole in't top is for either!!!This was an ebay bin end £45 quid punt. Mallet actually quite a nice thing with recessed face for knocking hide poles and the sort in, mind you most come with a foot plate so you insert that way i guess, unsure what he used the steel peg for and absolutely no idea what the round peg with square hole is for!!!!! Edited November 20, 2015 by jbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 The hammer and peg are to help make holes in the ground in the hard summer ground to put the hide poles in and to tie the hide to so that it doesn't disappear over the horizon on windy days. the hammer is a special hammer that has a copper head on one side and a leather/hide head on the other and is used to hammer shafts without damaging the metal. Look up on another web site >> copper hide hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 someone on here was making and selling the Seemark copy this man knows what he is talking about. you don't need mentors and all that rubbish. take your decoys, gun, cartridges a hide or make one out of branches ( dont damage growing timber by hacking down random branches) get out into a field find a line and set up and start learning. it's fun even if you dont shoot much. dont expect to just start and have success straight away. Are you saying that it is best to go out into a field with out any knowledge and shoot pigeons or covids? Is it not best to learn a little, how to look after the environment, the Quarry. Have an understanding of quarry ID, Racing Pigeons, Rock Dove (protected) Stock Dove( protected)Turtle Dove(protected) Collared Dove. Decoy Patterns etc. I know a lot of this can be learned from books and DVDs but is it not nice to accompany someone that knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Are you saying that it is best to go out into a field with out any knowledge and shoot pigeons or covids? Is it not best to learn a little, how to look after the environment, the Quarry. Have an understanding of quarry ID, Racing Pigeons, Rock Dove (protected) Stock Dove( protected)Turtle Dove(protected) Collared Dove. Decoy Patterns etc. I know a lot of this can be learned from books and DVDs but is it not nice to accompany someone that knows. You sound like a politician flogging a package and a qualification like an nvq –not very qualified. I do not advocate charley blogs going out and just banging away at anything that moves. But there are enough hoops to jump through without having to go along to some lame class to be shown a picture of a pigeon and then being given a bit of paper that says that charley blogs has attended a class that shows him how to make a hide and what a pigeon looks an flies like. My son in law has been told that he should consider going on a one day firearms awareness course costing £125 run by a bloke that has a qualification about trees or something. The son in law has been shooting shotgun and has been around firearms for over ten years and is more than aware of which end is the pointy bit and where the bit that comes out the pointy bit goes and what it does. As all trades will inform you there are more and more bits of paper required to do their job which is making it more and more expensive per job for the customer. How did we all survive years ago when we shot deer without a dsc. All this does is to make everything more rigid and not in our interest. I bet Archie Coates had to go on a pigeon awareness course back in the day. I suggest that you have a good think about what you advocate before some bright spark thinks that courses like this should be normal. what provision is there for any of these so called mentors? there is no control or qualification or anything for the idea of a mentor thats why the police have been advised to drop this mentor nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) What I was advocating was to take JBK out to one of my permissions and show him the ropes. If that helps bring someone else into Pigeon Shooting then I feel I have done something good. As to the charge? there is not one, although JBK has offered to make a cup of tea and has asked what biscuit I would like with it. Years of doing something whether it is shooting or anything else does not mean your are doing it correctly, every day is a day of learning and none of us are above that. I am not sure what it is that you think I should have a think about, offering to take someone out to shoot pigeons, who has asked for help and guidance is surely something positive. No one taught me how to shoot pigeons, but then everyone I went out with taught me something of how to shoot pigeons. We can all learn from or pick up something new by being with other people, that's how we all learn is it not. Apologies to JBK, every now and then this sort "debate" begins, no one is right and no one is wrong, don't let it put you off Pigeon Watch and the help and advice that is "freely" available. Edited November 21, 2015 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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