brett1985 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 a question that was raised this weekend while shooting, mainly due to a gun going off when shut and having an incredibly light trigger pull. please bare in mind that the gun had just been cleaned and serviced and had never done it before hand, plus it had a noticeably lighter trigger pull than it had before (no trigger lightening has been carried out) someone questioned as to whether having oil on the sears would cause this? opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Maybe, especially moly grease, sears should be dry, needs opened up and looked at again, possibly clean sears etc with acetone to degrease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Should not make any difference, certainly not to cause an accident. I smell a Muppet somewhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 i was always told that sears should run dry, just wanted to be sure. it just baffles me that cleaning and degreasing the action, striker holes and springs etc would cause an issue that wasn't there before hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Exactly, sounds like something may be fouling a sear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I oil mine and never had anything like that happen sounds a bit of a iffy gob to me get it checked out sounds dangerous to me Edited December 14, 2015 by chris1961 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Bit of oil should not make any difference-if it was a problem then a dry lube could be used-get it back pronto cos its dangerous and ,personally, I would think hard about using the same Gunsmith in the future. Edited December 14, 2015 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 thanks for the input guys. will have a look and see if anything is obvious. to be fair, I opened and closed the gun about 50 times using varying degrees of force and its worked perfectly every time. im beginning to wonder whether a finger may have been prematurely resting on or near the trigger when it was shut. i've used the gun for skeet and sporting and had no issues, it only seems to be when its used for trap (stock mounted and then closed while in the shoulder). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 No auto safety then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 No auto safety then? nope, tis a clay gun. MK38. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 most likely when the stock was put back on it was probably slightly over tightened which could cause the inletting to cone into contact with the sears and not allow them to engage properly undo the stock bolt a bit and dry fire it and if it sorts the problem then you can remove a small amount of the wood with a file/sandpaper and refit the stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 ok, so I took a look last night... sear making good contact, no dirt or debris and they're dry as a bone. trigger pulls testing at 2.5lb consistently. there was, however, a splinter of wood from the inside of the stock sticking out. bit of a rough finish on the inside if I'm honest. removed said piece of wood and lightly sanded. put back together and bobs your uncle. put 3 boxes of cartridges through it last night without any issues. gotta be honest though, such a light trigger pull can really catch you out... especially when wearing gloves! all's well that ends well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Thought it would something fouling. 2&1/2lb is to light for me on a shotgun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm no expert by a looong mile, but did you bump test it? Just a thought... atb Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Thought it would something fouling. 2&1/2lb is to light for me on a shotgun! lol I cringed when a chap I know local to me had his altered to less than 1lb. He is no novice shooter being an Ex AAA and England team member. It was done to try and sort out his flinch or should say failing to squeeze the trigger when his eye's felt the need but his trigger finger didn't want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm no expert by a looong mile, but did you bump test it? Just a thought... atb Jamie yes fella, tried it with the gracoil system fitted and removed. not a hint of wanting to go off. I'm not 100% sure how comfortable I am with the 2.5lb triggers, I do think it will mean having to be extra careful with regards to trigger finger control though. worst case scenario, new hammers and sears are about £100 so I could easily put it back to factory standard if I cant get on with it in its current format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 I would refuse to set a shotgun trigger to 2.5 lbs without a long chat. 1lbs for no one I'm affaird no matter how much he has or does shoot, release trigger would be my reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 yes fella, tried it with the gracoil system fitted and removed. not a hint of wanting to go off. I'm not 100% sure how comfortable I am with the 2.5lb triggers, I do think it will mean having to be extra careful with regards to trigger finger control though. worst case scenario, new hammers and sears are about £100 so I could easily put it back to factory standard if I cant get on with it in its current format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 yes fella, tried it with the gracoil system fitted and removed. not a hint of wanting to go off. I'm not 100% sure how comfortable I am with the 2.5lb triggers, I do think it will mean having to be extra careful with regards to trigger finger control though. worst case scenario, new hammers and sears are about £100 so I could easily put it back to factory standard if I cant get on with it in its current format. trigger lbs being low could possibly be a trigger spring left out if a full stripped clean and rebuilt was carried out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 That's a bit light for me on a shot gun. Each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 when its used for trap (stock mounted and then closed while in the shoulder). Never done DTL so don't understand this comment, can someone explain how and why you would do this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 trap is mostly about process and 1 fluid movement of bringing the gun up and closing it at the same time, and being able to replicate it every time. some close the gun before hand, others close it when its near the shoulder and some once its in the shoulder. there are various different ways that people do it, my preferred method is as the gun is coming up and in to my shoulder pocket, its also being closed. finally being completely shut as the gun sits in my shoulder pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 What happens with semi's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett1985 Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) wouldn't know if I'm honest as most UK trap shooters don't use them, or like them. nothing more distracting when your trying to concentrate than having carts spat in your direction. the only semi's I see at my local trap grounds are UGB25's, which break open like o/u (that and the gun tarts semi's when someone brings out a new gun and lends it to them...) just the sound of the carts from these hitting the floor is off putting enough imo. Edited December 17, 2015 by brett1985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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