poontang Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 i think the description fits your good self rather well, how is old Nigel doing still smarting from recent humiliations What description is that? Nige is doing very well thanks, still sticking it to the EU Reichmarshalls on a regular basis and still showing up the left for the hypocritical liars they really are. Top bloke is our Nige... unless of course you're a hypocritical liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 30, 2015 Report Share Posted December 30, 2015 Goodness, they should have piloted in Yorkshire. I wish they had, would have saved my sainted mother a fortune. If they had,it would never of gone countrywide! Nay lad it would've, saved quite a few a fair bit of money. I would suggest Mr Letwin and his sort have been responsible for a greater catalog of harm against the people of this country than any gang black or white His sort being? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Blimey you've got it bad haven't you Chris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Poll tax was the fairest- but needs another thread. The sweeping generalisations on here are as bad as Mr Letwins. It was also nieve because millions of people just dropped off the electoral register to avoid it. Good in concept but bad in implimentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Agreed. Some time ago there was an attempt to bring over professional black men from Washington DC(where the scheme had had a degree of success into Schools in Hackney, to act as role models to young black men who has never know a 'father figure' to show them what was possible. The Local Labour (??) Council, said it was sexist and why could not wimin set the same example!!!! The imported Black street culture imported from the US and to a lesser extent from the Caribbean is a big issue in London and I assume other cities/town with a significant black population, it promotes violence, misogyny, a disregard for authority and a drug economy. This does not mean that all black people are part of this culture, and a quite a lot of white kids are, but it is a significant minority that are. Whenever the local London news mentions that someone has been stabbed or shot, you can guarantee that young black men have been in involved. I've worked with ex and current gang members in Croydon as part of my role as surveyor. It's a mind set totally alien to almost any white / middle class person and one I struggled to get my head round for a long time. The "face" they show to other guys their age is different to one the show black guys their age and different again to the one they present to older people. I had a knife held to me by a guy who honestly thought that was the way to get what he wanted at that moment in his life ( he didn't ).My take is a distinct lack of fathers being around has a huge impact - many men having "baby mothers " dotted around etc. That's not racist at all. I engaged with an ex gang member we housed who said only two members of the DSN gang in croydon even knew who their fathers were. Sometimes the truth is buried if it's unpalatable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 I see the usual pw face off shaping up. The old 'those people' lines being thrown around. Tonight's subject? Characterising an entire group of people on the basis of skin colour and social class. I wonder what Mr letwin's Jewish refugee parents would have to say? The problem starts when a reply to a post becomes aggressive and personal to the poster, so keep it civil and debate it, if you are saying we should sweep it under the carpet or bury our heads in the sand and not debate this type of thing, then what a sad day that will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Why would you assume that? I've worked all over the world and with many people from different countries and I know from experience that you cannot judge a person by the colour if their skin, its simply not possible. Cultural and micro-cultural backgrounds are much more influential on a persons outlook and behaviour and those backgrounds are formed by history, circumstance and creed and not pigmentation. It's lazy thinking and gives an easy solution to a complex problem. Ok let me rephrase it, were you born and bred in area with a high black population and spent a good part of your youth hanging out with them. it is not being "racist" to point out that certain parts of our society have "bad moral attitudes" be they white or black it just so happens that in this case the majority of rioters were black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) I see the usual pw face off shaping up. The old 'those people' lines being thrown around. Tonight's subject? Characterising an entire group of people on the basis of skin colour and social class. I wonder what Mr letwin's Jewish refugee parents would have to say? Perhaps you should look at Knife/etc., fatalities/murders/injuries in London and see who is causing most grief upon which community. It isn't a race thing it a statistical thing. http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/teenage-murder-london.html Scroll down the gallery of faces and see what colour the majority of their skin is. I don't see to many obviously Jewish faces in the list, so Mr Letwins parents probably wouldn't have a whole lot to say! Anyway, I see this thread being closed very shortly. Happy New Year everyone. Edited December 31, 2015 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Interesting reading is a book called 'Guns and Gangs' by Graeme McLagan. It is based on police investigations started due to the 'black on black' shootings of the 1980's and 1990's when turf wars broke and police forces tried to police so called Yardies. The operation became known as Trident. The statistics and facts are there for all to read. We can sweep them under the carpet or ignore them in the name of political correctness, but the facts remain, and one of them is that at one time over three quarters of all homicides in metropolitan London were inflicted by blacks on other blacks, usually over drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 I see the usual pw face off shaping up. The old 'those people' lines being thrown around. Tonight's subject? Characterising an entire group of people on the basis of skin colour and social class. I wonder what Mr letwin's Jewish refugee parents would have to say? If the gripe is stereo-typing, but what if this is not merely just sniping? When evidence based overriding shows that it is mostly the aforementioned putting the Knife-in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 All very interesting. I don't think anyone is denying the local statistical facts in particular areas. But, the fact that a minority of a minority engage in such behaviour does not equal a generalised fact. That is the very definition of stereotyping. And I am sure, Mr Letwin's parents would be accutely aware of the dangers of such nonsense. Not so long ago, similar attitudes lead to the special room in Heathrow for all in bound and out bound Belfast flights. But I don't think we should draw a generalised conclusion about the morals of the people of Northern Ireland as a consequence. The majority of whom happen to be white christians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Don't get me wrong, I dislike sweeping generalisations myself, and was in no way implying all blacks were involved in gang warfare, and would hate my post to be misinterpreted as a defence of Letwin. He is after all, a politician, but I'll leave it there for fear of being accused of making a sweeping generalisation. But as I said, the facts are there for all to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 All very interesting. I don't think anyone is denying the local statistical facts in particular areas. But, the fact that a minority of a minority engage in such behaviour does not equal a generalised fact. That is the very definition of stereotyping. And I am sure, Mr Letwin's parents would be accutely aware of the dangers of such nonsense. Not so long ago, similar attitudes lead to the special room in Heathrow for all in bound and out bound Belfast flights. But I don't think we should draw a generalised conclusion about the morals of the people of Northern Ireland as a consequence. The majority of whom happen to be white christians. Spot on again. Lies, damn lies and statistics wasn't made up for fun you know . Film and categorise the shenanigans of a typical nights out binge drinking, vomiting, fighting and urinating in almost any of our cities and you'd be forgiven to think their parents had lost all moral compass and morality bringing them up . Judge others as you wish to be judged, apply your own logic and moral codes even handedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Hamster - +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 It's times like this I'm glad I'm a provincial northern white boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 All very interesting. I don't think anyone is denying the local statistical facts in particular areas. But, the fact that a minority of a minority engage in such behaviour does not equal a generalised fact. That is the very definition of stereotyping. And I am sure, Mr Letwin's parents would be accutely aware of the dangers of such nonsense. Not so long ago, similar attitudes lead to the special room in Heathrow for all in bound and out bound Belfast flights. But I don't think we should draw a generalised conclusion about the morals of the people of Northern Ireland as a consequence. The majority of whom happen to be white christians. I don't see many minority of a minority of many other cultures appearing in the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Mr Letwin does have a record for this type of thing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 I am sure Mr Letwin regrets making his views known. He can take comfort from Simon Danczuk, today's plummeting star - who once said his wife had brains and beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjh Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) That Simon Danczuk is a right idiot what was he thinking about have you seen his wife Karen Danczuk just google her he was batting well above his weight Edited December 31, 2015 by chrisjh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 I don't see many minority of a minority of many other cultures appearing in the list. Although that is a list of victims and not perps.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 he was batting well above his weight chrisjh. His wife is plain and rather unfortunately gormless looking. They seemed well matched. Both with very suspect judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 chrisjh. His wife is plain and rather unfortunately gormless looking. They seemed well matched. Both with very suspect judgement. Gordon she is a little too chunky and very keen on taking and publishing "selfies"! Chrisjh you would be welcome to her! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felly100 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 chrisjh. His wife is plain and rather unfortunately gormless looking. They seemed well matched. Both with very suspect judgement. In all the selfies I saw of her,I never once noticed her gormless face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Trust me - she looks like the village idiot. She seems to think she is a looker. She is a blind halfwit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike737 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 Who liked showing her cleavage... Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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